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daddystabz
Posted: Sep 5 2011, 11:27 PM
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If you have a Favoured weapon type like my Elf has Bow as a Favoured Weapon, do you automatically use your Favoured Body attribute for your damage with that weapon or must you spend a point of Hope every time you hit with it in order to get your Favoured attribute bonus?
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Posted: Sep 6 2011, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (daddystabz @ Sep 6 2011, 03:27 AM)
If you have a Favoured weapon type like my Elf has Bow as a Favoured Weapon, do you automatically use your Favoured Body attribute for your damage with that weapon or must you spend a point of Hope every time you hit with it in order to get your Favoured attribute bonus?

As with the other favoured skills, you must spend one Hope point to invoke the Attribute bonus (in this case, your favoured Body rating).

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Posted: Sep 6 2011, 12:35 AM
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Thanks! I thought that was the case. Someone mentioned to me earlier they thought you automatically get it but I thought it was not the case. I figured it would work the same with Weapon skills as it does with Common skills.

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Posted: Sep 6 2011, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE (daddystabz @ Sep 6 2011, 04:35 AM)
Thanks! I thought that was the case. Someone mentioned to me earlier they thought you automatically get it but I thought it was not the case. I figured it would work the same with Weapon skills as it does with Common skills.

Thanks Amado!

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Maybe he got confused with the Adversaries' rule. They always apply their Attribute rating as a bonus to any attack done with a favoured weapon skill.

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Narl
Posted: Sep 6 2011, 02:42 AM
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QUOTE (daddystabz @ Sep 5 2011, 09:27 PM)
If you have a Favoured weapon type like my Elf has Bow as a Favoured Weapon, do you automatically use your Favoured Body attribute for your damage with that weapon or must you spend a point of Hope every time you hit with it in order to get your Favoured attribute bonus?

Unless I missed it somewhere, I don't believe spending a point of Hope on an attack increases damage, at least not beyond turning a miss into a hit. You still use your basic Body as a Damage bonus on great or extraordinary hits, unless you have some Virtue or Reward that allows otherwise.
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Posted: Sep 6 2011, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE (Narl @ Sep 6 2011, 07:42 AM)
QUOTE (daddystabz @ Sep 5 2011, 09:27 PM)
If you have a Favoured weapon type like my Elf has Bow as a Favoured Weapon, do you automatically use your Favoured Body attribute for your damage with that weapon or must you spend a point of Hope every time you hit with it in order to get your Favoured attribute bonus?

Unless I missed it somewhere, I don't believe spending a point of Hope on an attack increases damage, at least not beyond turning a miss into a hit. You still use your basic Body as a Damage bonus on great or extraordinary hits, unless you have some Virtue or Reward that allows otherwise.

I agree with Narl, I tried to find support in the Rules for spending Hope to increase Damage, but I couldn't find any. As far as I can tell it's "To Hit with the actual Skill Roll" only.

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Posted: Sep 6 2011, 11:43 PM
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But with a Favoured Weapon it is your damage bonus that changes. Because instead of using your normal Body attribute you use the Favoured number attribute instead. This is the damage bonus you only get to apply if you get a Great Success and double it when you roll an Extraordinary Success.

Please feel free to chime in on this again, Amado.
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Narl
Posted: Sep 7 2011, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE (daddystabz @ Sep 6 2011, 09:43 PM)
But with a Favoured Weapon it is your damage bonus that changes.  Because instead of using your normal Body attribute you use the Favoured number attribute instead.  This is the damage bonus you only get to apply if you get a Great Success and double it when you roll an Extraordinary Success.

Please feel free to chime in on this again, Amado.

I'm not sure if you are trying to say that you get your Favoured Body all the time using a Favoured weapon skill, but that is certainly not the case. Otherwise, the Fierce Shot Virtue for Bardings wouldn't be in the game, since you could get the same advantage just by making great bow a Favoured skill.

If you are saying you get to use your Favoured Body for your Damage bonus when you spend a point of Hope to invoke an attribute bonus, I believe that is incorrect as well. The rules mention using attribute bonuses for Favoured skill rolls over and over, and never once mention it affecting the Damage bonus as well.
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Posted: Sep 7 2011, 12:24 AM
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I am pretty Narl is right on this one. Damage Bonus is based on basic Body not favoured Body, even if you are using a favoured Weapon Skills.

From Page 85 of the AB:

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An Attribute’s basic rating is used as an Attribute bonus in most tests (those not involving favoured skills) and to generate a hero’s characteristics (like his Endurance and Hope scores, Parry rating and Damage bonuses). An Attribute’s favoured score is ... used as an Attribute bonus when the hero is using a favoured skill.


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Usually, a character’s Damage rating is equal to his basic Body score, both for attacks made with a close combat weapon or a ranged weapon.


Daddystabz can you point out where you think it is stated that you use your favoured Attribute for damage bonus when using a favoured Weapon Skill? Are you also suggesting that you use favoured Wits for Parry when using a favoured Weapon too?


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Posted: Sep 7 2011, 02:42 AM
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QUOTE (daddystabz @ Sep 7 2011, 04:43 AM)
But with a Favoured Weapon it is your damage bonus that changes. Because instead of using your normal Body attribute you use the Favoured number attribute instead. This is the damage bonus you only get to apply if you get a Great Success and double it when you roll an Extraordinary Success.

Please feel free to chime in on this again, Amado.

This has to be wrong. At least I surely hope so. If not, the value of a Favoured Weapon skill just went through the roof.

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Posted: Sep 7 2011, 05:10 AM
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I totally agree with Narl.


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Posted: Sep 7 2011, 03:58 PM
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Favoured Weapon Skills, like other favoured Skills, add the favoured Body rating to the use of the Skill at a cost of 1 Hope. Damage is not connected to the use of the Skill, but rather is a function of the weapon, and thus continues to use the normal Body rating to add Damage on a Great or Extraordinary success, unless modified by a Virtue.

That is my read of it.


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Posted: Sep 8 2011, 05:11 AM
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QUOTE (caul @ Sep 7 2011, 07:58 PM)
Favoured Weapon Skills, like other favoured Skills, add the favoured Body rating to the use of the Skill at a cost of 1 Hope. Damage is not connected to the use of the Skill, but rather is a function of the weapon, and thus continues to use the normal Body rating to add Damage on a Great or Extraordinary success, unless modified by a Virtue.

That is my read of it.

Your reading is correct.

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Posted: Sep 8 2011, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE (Francesco @ Sep 8 2011, 10:11 AM)
QUOTE (caul @ Sep 7 2011, 07:58 PM)
Favoured Weapon Skills, like other favoured Skills, add the favoured Body rating to the use of the Skill at a cost of 1 Hope. Damage is not connected to the use of the Skill, but rather is a function of the weapon, and thus continues to use the normal Body rating to add Damage on a Great or Extraordinary success, unless modified by a Virtue.

That is my read of it.

Your reading is correct.

Francesco

Thank you. I was worried there for a while.

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