I removed this.

I just made an Encounters sheet as well. You can grab it here: Encounters Cheat Sheet

Erh... dude. I thought you said Reference Sheet?

That's like 8 pages of copy paste straight out of the books... are you sure C7 is okay with that?

Maybe I'm being to sensitive...?

/wolf

No.....I put the instructions inside as to how it works. The only parts pasted are the pertinent tables. I constructed this to use for quick reference at my table.

I wanted everything I need for Journeys at my fingertips to keep from having to keep flipping through the book during the game.

How strict is C7 or Sophisticated Games about cheat sheets?

I also made a Journey Rules document and I was going to share it here. Most of it is a combination and summary of the rules found in the AB and LB, but I did copy the descriptions of Hazards word-for-word. Should I leave that out?

Maybe someone from the staff could speak to this.

If this is a problem, I'll also delete the link to the Shadow document I posted on the Monsters thread (because it basically copies all the stats from the rulebook).

It is probably best to avoid direct copying of section of the material.

Though the Monster handout does make me uncomfortable, it is just the monster statblocks, and not the surrounding text. Lists of Hazards are similar as they don't include the Journey Rules themselves.

The Jounrey Cheat Sheet here is a little too far IMO as it presents a pretty complete version of the subsystem with quite a few parts just pasted across.

Thanks Skywalker. I would like to find out from the staff. Maybe I'll email Angus to see if my stuff is okay before posting.

Star Wars Saga Edition fans have made extensive helps that include copies of text, etc., and posted and organized it on message boards for everyone to use. I'm sure the same is done for many games.

Good idea.

I created these cheat sheets for my own use with my group because we had some trouble with Journeys in our face-to-face game. There is a TON is stuff you need as a Loremaster to do Journeys properly and the point of this sheet I made is so all you need is this sheet and you don't have to keep flipping through the inconvenient book. I have removed the links to this in this thread now and really, if you don't want to use it then simply don't download it.

There is NO way to get around having the charts in your cheat sheet for Journeys. What good is having a cheat sheet that is incomplete and makes you have to flip through the book anyhow in order to get to the proper charts? There are a lot of charts necessary for Journeys so I included them in my own cheat sheet that I use with my group. I own the product so it is all good.

I have no issue with the utility of the sheet you prepared. They would be very useful

My comment was more on the kinds of things that tend to cause copyright issues if distributed publicly and without consent.

I doubt that would be an issue. I've used cheat sheets/crib sheets for many, many games in my 20+ years of gaming and they all contain pertinent tables and things of that nature.

I agree. That's what set me off.

/wolf

Just to be clear. I don't have a problem with you making your own copies, summaries or straight out duplicates of the product you bought, if the intent is to make it easier for you to play the game with your friends.

But that has nothing to do with making the same material available for download on the internet. Cause that's the part I think is just plain wrong.

/wolf

If the necessary isn't on the forthcoming Loremaster's Screen, then daddystabz will get my vote for putting that cheat sheet right back up there again.

(It's not like I ever wouldn't buy the screen, but that's your commercial reality of the case against medium-to-large scale reproduction of content, right there.)

Cheers,
--Os.

I beg to disagree. I have been playing these games for over 22 years. In that time I've seen a lot of material to be used as cheat sheets that contain charts from the books. The point of a cheat sheet it to not have to turn to the book so if I leave the pertinent charts out it would defeat the purpose of a cheat sheet, don't you think?

I will link you to several cheat sheets for other games if you want to prove my point. What good is a cheat sheet without the proper charts???? We are only talking about the charts needed for Journeys.

No issues with charts either. It is charts combined with the text on how to use them. If someone could use the material without the books pretty much as intended that is where issues happen.

FWIW I am pretty sure your cheat sheet was fine. It closed cleaved the line closely.

I am waiting for a reply back from Angus concerning the cheat sheet/synopsis of the journey rules I made. He forwarded the PDFs I sent to Francesco and Dom for official approval just to be safe.

If there was a clear policy on cheat sheets from the publishers, that would be helpful. Otherwise, on p. 2 of both books it says, No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by an means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of the publishers.

When I read the words no part, I take it to mean NOTHING in the books can be reproduced for public usage without permission first. That would seem to eliminate ALL cheat sheets without getting permission first. Am I right? Or am I wrong?

If there is a more lenient interpretation, what is it? Maybe it will clear up the ambiguity as to where the line is.

I'd hate for some people to feel that the line has been crossed and uncomfortable about it, when in fact the publishers are fine with fan-made cheat sheets being shared on a forum between players.

Copyright is a complex affair but if in doubt it always pays to not copy anything. Of course, an IP owner is unlikely to take any action against something that only benefits them. So fan made aids are often accepted and encouraged. But its never going to 100% clear.

Another thing that may help with significantly sized documents is to include a copy right disclaimer like this:

This won't stop any legal issues, but it shows that you have taken effort to identify the IP owner and don't intend to challenge their rights as IP owner.