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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 05:44 PM
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I'm running my group through The Marsh Bell tomorrow night. I'd like to come up with some lore to add flavor. Specifically, I'd like to come up with some historical/anthropological tidbits to drop if the players make any lore related rolls regarding the ruins in the Marsh. I'm a Tolkien fan, but not an expert. Does anyone have any ideas I can hint at regarding the story behind the ruins, the bell itself, or the marsh dwellers? It'd be nice to come up with something that relates in some way to Middle Earth history.
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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 05:52 PM
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You may already be planning this but I would allow a Song roll recall the poem The Mewlips, on which the scenario is based. It is by JRR Tolkien but it's written as an old Hobbit poem. If you do some research in the poem (on Google) there some discussion about where the Mewlips is situated which includes details of the Marshes. They aren't really detailed by Tolkien though, but there were some cool tidbits for inspiration.


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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 05:59 PM
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THis is the one I have
The Mewlips

sorry have delelted it...
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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 06:07 PM
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Can that be placed in a spoiler block?


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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 06:14 PM
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had a senior moment there - sorry ohmy.gif
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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 08:26 PM
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No probs. biggrin.gif


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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 08:43 PM
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Yes, I'm using the Mewlips poem. What I'm looking for on top of that is some historical lore regarding the ruins and the bell (and maybe the marsh dwellers). Like, who are the people who originally built the ruins. I understand that such lore probably doesn't actually exist. I was hoping someone could help me make something up.
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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 09:47 PM
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That's a tricky question. Rhovanion region suffered some Eaterling invasions and since the place and the bell are evil, I'd give them an Easterling origin.

From Wikipedia:

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The Northmen in this area (Rhovanion) were defeated by the Wainriders. The "Battle of the Plain" (in T.A. 1851) was fought by Gondor and the Northmen against the Wainriders; King Narmacil II of Gondor and the Northman Marhari (a descendant of Vidugavia) were both killed in this battle.
[...]Refugees from this defeat were reorganized as the Éothéod on the other side of Mirkwood in the lower Vales of Anduin, under the leadership of Marwhini, son of Marhari.


So, in T.A. 1851 and before we have the cursed city in lands ruled by Easterlings (probably men of Rhûn since they are so close). Maybe the bell is related to the dark religion created by Sauron with him as the only true God (as Melkor did before him). The building could be a temple, the mewlips the former priests, cursed to stay within by somebody they sacrifice and the bell a powerful artifact of Sorcery.

Or you can give the city a even older origin, making it Dúnedain and dating from T.A. 13th century. From the Wiki again:

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The Mannish Kingdom of Rhovanion came to prominence in the mid-13th century of the Third Age, when Minalcar of Gondor served as Regent for his uncle, King Atanatar II of Gondor. About this time Vidugavia, "the most powerful of the northern princes"[5] called himself King of Rhovanion, though the land he governed lay only between Mirkwood and the River Running. The Regent led a great expedition into Rhovanion in T.A. 1248 and utterly defeated the Easterlings, with substantial help from the Northmen and from Vidugavia in particular.


Then, when the city was taken by enemies (maybe the Witch-king himself) someone placed a curse upon it.

Also, you can mix both stories making it a cursed placed where the easterlings set a temple for the dark religion...

Anyway, this would be old lore and probably the only knowledge about it would be among the Easterlings and maybe the Elves of Mirkwood to a lesser level.

Just my two cents.
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Posted: Nov 30 2012, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (xenophone @ Dec 1 2012, 12:43 AM)
Yes, I'm using the Mewlips poem. What I'm looking for on top of that is some historical lore regarding the ruins and the bell (and maybe the marsh dwellers). Like, who are the people who originally built the ruins. I understand that such lore probably doesn't actually exist. I was hoping someone could help me make something up.

As said, if you Google the Mewlips poem and where it may be referring to, you should get some interesting speculation on just that.


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Posted: Dec 1 2012, 01:12 PM
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This is very helpful guys. Thanks
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Posted: Dec 1 2012, 04:15 PM
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There was a previous thread which was looking for similar ideas. I can't find it but, one of the things that was suggested was that the Dwellers in the Cellars had somehow been corrupted by the enchantment of the bell. Perhaps they had once been normal men, northmen like the folk of Dale and Esgaroth.
It seems likely that this settlement was flooded by the thaw that followed the Fell Winter but, who is to say when it actually became a ruin? What if the bell was cast from precious metal, stolen from a Dragon's hoard, then disguised with a coting of baser metal to hide it from potential robbers? Similar to the effect of the ring turning Smeagol into Gollum, perhaps the corruption of the gold was not immediate but was insidious and grew over time.
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Posted: Dec 2 2012, 06:24 AM
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I've been thinking about this and if the Mewlips were in Hobbit songs, it makes sense they were already there when the Hobbits came into Rhovanion migrating from the east.

I can't find the exact date of the migration, but it seems they were already there when Sauron firt came to Amon Lanc (later known as Dol Guldur) in T. A.1000. Since there are Easterlings invasions as soon as T.A. 400, I suppose they should have come before.

Halbarad I didn't know the old threat, but I like the idea the origin of the greedy Mewlips is linked to the origin of the curse. So, I have a new idea... wink.gif

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A long time ago there was a thriving city at the end of the Old Forest Road. Back in the day, there were no marshes but solid fertile ground and wide roads full of merchants and running gold. Marvels from the East came this way, delicate tissues and the aromatic wine so prized by the Elves even now, and it was enchanged by works of Dwarven crafts and Elven herbs.

So, the people of this town whose name is never to be said again, grew proud and arrogant in their wealth... and it spelled their doom.

It is said there was an Easterling warlord who had joined a mighty army under his banner and wanted to conquer the wealthy lands of Rohovanion. But the Kingdom of the Lake was well armed and had many warriors in shiny armours and the battle would be long and uncertain. So, the cunning warlord devised other plan. He will bribe the authorities of the city at the end of the Old Forest Road and promise them to be spare and in exchange they will call the Kingdom of the Lake for help against a false invasion from the East. This way, the Kingdom would be left unprotected and it will be his to take.

The deal was made and a great golden bell was placed on the highest tower of the city. It sounds will tell the Easterlings scouts that the Kingdom army was in the city and the treasoning call for help had been attended.


The King himself, a forefather to Girion, was at the head of the army and they arrived to the city with haste. The bell began to ring with an eerie noise of certain doom and the king scouts came to him with word that there was no enemy army in the surroundings of the city. The King the town council, demanding an explanation and the treacherous members of the counsel delayed him as much as they could, until a wounded messenger came from the Kingdom of the Lake with word that the Kingdom was being overrun.

In rightful fury, the king killed the council with his own sword and cursed its citizens with these words: "In the Name of the One True God, I curse you! You have betrayed my sincere trust and sentenced my Kingdom for your endless greediness of gold, may it be your doom until the End of the World! You will not die of age and you will be confined under the bell simbol of your treason. Your land will become as dirty as your spirit are and you will become the monsters you already are in the inside for everyone to see"

And this is how the city was doomed. Soon, the land became a marsh, travellers avoided the town and it became the haunted dangerous place it is until nowadays.

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Posted: Dec 2 2012, 07:18 AM
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One of my players, role playing the dwarf, asked about the architecture of the ruins. I told him they were of an ancient Gondorian style probably from the time Gondor's empire spread into Rhovanion.

The bell, which strangely nobody asked about, I assumed wasn't an original feature due to its position in the chimney.

One of the things that attracts me to Middle Earth as a setting is the sense of history the setting has.


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Posted: Dec 3 2012, 07:23 AM
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You already have some great feedback on lore, but if you haven't seen this adaptation of the poem, it adds some flavor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ntMbUEjf0
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