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formorach69	Posted: Feb 4 2013, 02:20 AM
Group: Members Posts: 2 Member No.: 3244 Joined: 29-January 13	Hi All Now, I know this may sound like a really stoopid question to some (all?) of you but I can't figure out how Wilderland should be pronounced. Is it Wilder as in Wild/Gene Wilder, or is it Wilder as in Bewilder/Builder, if you get my meaning? Thanks for your assistance!

timb	Posted: Feb 4 2013, 02:50 AM
Group: Members Posts: 168 Member No.: 888 Joined: 30-January 10	I think that might be down to a regional English (accent) thing, just depends where you are - I'd say Wilder (as in Wild) but I'm sure there are plenty who would say it the other way. Like a lot of words in English, there isn't one way to rule them more, just use the one you feel more comfortable with. Edit: I'd say Wilderland with wild, but Wilderness the other way btw -------------------- 222 off being the Devil member

Ovid	Posted: Feb 4 2013, 03:23 AM
Group: Members Posts: 179 Member No.: 2219 Joined: 9-December 11	I'd say 'WILL-der-land', in analogy to 'wilderness'. -------------------- TOR AP: The Marsh Bell => Shadow Over Dale => Tales from Wilderland

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QUOTE (Ovid @ Feb 4 2013, 07:23 AM)

I'd say 'WILL-der-land', in analogy to 'wilderness'.

I would think this too. Perhaps there's a recording where he mentions the name?

Rich H	Posted: Feb 4 2013, 03:49 AM
Group: Members Posts: 882 Member No.: 2664 Joined: 15-May 12	Pretty much 100% sure it's pronounced how Ovid said. -------------------- 1) The Fellowship of the Free - a TOR Actual Play thread: http://cubicle7.clicdev.com/f/index.php?tr...&showtopic=3424 2) Three's Company - a TOR Hobbit-only Actual Play thread: http://cubicle7.clicdev.com/f/index.php?tr...&showtopic=4081 3) A collection of additional and house rules for TOR: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Additiona...use%20Rules.pdf 4) Alternate Journey rules: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Rules%20-...ney%20Rules.pdf 5) Anyone for Hobbit Cricket? If so, check out my rules here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Hobbit%20Cricket.pdf 6) Keep those TOR character sheets clean, use this Scratch Sheet instead: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...tch%20Sheet.pdf 7) TOR Character Sheet (use with Scratch Sheet): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...Friendly%29.pdf 8) TOR Tale of Years Sheet: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...Friendly%29.pdf 9) Adventure - To Journey's End and the Eagles' Eyrie: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/To%20Jour...%27%20Eyrie.pdf 10) Adventure - Dawn Comes Early: ... Coming Soon!

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QUOTE (Ovid @ Feb 4 2013, 07:23 AM)

I'd say 'WILL-der-land', in analogy to 'wilderness'.

From a Midlands UK perspective (as in the region Professer Tolkien was from), this. Wilderland would be the same pronunciation as wilderness.

The Wilds, on the other hand are the other way, wild as in wildlife.

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QUOTE (Ovid @ Feb 4 2013, 07:23 AM)

I'd say 'WILL-der-land', in analogy to 'wilderness'.

FWIW (from my UK Hampshire/Surrey borders perspective) I'd entirely agree with Ovid and go for WILL-der-land (i.e.Wilder as in Bewilder/Builder to use your original question).

As Valarian has pointed out this aligns with "WILL-der-ness" as opposed to "WILD". English is peculiar like that

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Cynan	Posted: Feb 4 2013, 08:22 AM
Group: Members Posts: 115 Member No.: 3174 Joined: 6-January 13	Mostly everyone I've met and played with here in Montreal uses Ovid's Will-der-land. There may have been some second language players who started off trying WILD-er-land, but since we were speaking English they took their lead from native English speakers long ago and have changed to will-der-land. I'm not sure why it would be regional but for the record I live in north America, in Montreal, Canada to be precise, and do speak English as my first language.

Khosael	Posted: Feb 5 2013, 10:40 AM
Group: Members Posts: 7 Member No.: 2680 Joined: 23-May 12	Ah good, glad to see that's resolved. Here's a stumper, though: how do you pronounce Dodinas and Dinodas from "of leaves & stewed hobbit"? ;-) I've got my own ideas, but I'm curious to hear what others think.

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QUOTE (Khosael @ Feb 5 2013, 02:40 PM)

how do you pronounce Dodinas and Dinodas from "of leaves & stewed hobbit"? ;-)

Dod-in-ass
Din-o-das

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Rich H	Posted: Feb 5 2013, 03:46 PM
Group: Members Posts: 882 Member No.: 2664 Joined: 15-May 12	I'd go with... Doh-din-ass and Dine-oh-dass ... Purely because I like how they sound when spoken out loud more than any other option. -------------------- 1) The Fellowship of the Free - a TOR Actual Play thread: http://cubicle7.clicdev.com/f/index.php?tr...&showtopic=3424 2) Three's Company - a TOR Hobbit-only Actual Play thread: http://cubicle7.clicdev.com/f/index.php?tr...&showtopic=4081 3) A collection of additional and house rules for TOR: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Additiona...use%20Rules.pdf 4) Alternate Journey rules: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Rules%20-...ney%20Rules.pdf 5) Anyone for Hobbit Cricket? If so, check out my rules here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Hobbit%20Cricket.pdf 6) Keep those TOR character sheets clean, use this Scratch Sheet instead: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...tch%20Sheet.pdf 7) TOR Character Sheet (use with Scratch Sheet): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...Friendly%29.pdf 8) TOR Tale of Years Sheet: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...Friendly%29.pdf 9) Adventure - To Journey's End and the Eagles' Eyrie: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/To%20Jour...%27%20Eyrie.pdf 10) Adventure - Dawn Comes Early: ... Coming Soon!

Valarian	Posted: Feb 5 2013, 04:51 PM
Group: Members Posts: 420 Member No.: 1943 Joined: 18-September 11	Why Dine over Din? -------------------- Current EU RPG Group Games: European FG2 RPG Friday (8pm to 11pm UK time; Ultimate License) - Classic Traveller Sunday (8pm to 11pm UK time; Ultimate License) - The One Ring: Adventures over the Edge of the Wild Using Ultimate FGII and can accept unlicensed player connections on some of the games. ----------------- LOTRO - Brandywine Server Halbras - Hobbit Hunter / Jonab - Bree-folk Captain / Ardri - Dwarf Guardian / Halaberiel - Elf Hunter

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QUOTE (Valarian @ Feb 5 2013, 08:51 PM)

Why Dine over Din?

Like I said, I simply prefer how it sounds for those particular names - the longer vowel in the first syllable of each name. I like hobbit names to be like that if they lend themselves to it. YMMV.

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1) The Fellowship of the Free - a TOR Actual Play thread: http://cubicle7.clicdev.com/f/index.php?tr...&showtopic=3424
2) Three's Company - a TOR Hobbit-only Actual Play thread: http://cubicle7.clicdev.com/f/index.php?tr...&showtopic=4081
3) A collection of additional and house rules for TOR: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Additiona...use%20Rules.pdf
4) Alternate Journey rules: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Rules%20-...ney%20Rules.pdf
5) Anyone for Hobbit Cricket? If so, check out my rules here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Hobbit%20Cricket.pdf
6) Keep those TOR character sheets clean, use this Scratch Sheet instead: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...tch%20Sheet.pdf
7) TOR Character Sheet (use with Scratch Sheet): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...Friendly%29.pdf
8) TOR Tale of Years Sheet: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/Player%20...Friendly%29.pdf
9) Adventure - To Journey's End and the Eagles' Eyrie: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/79541775/To%20Jour...%27%20Eyrie.pdf
10) Adventure - Dawn Comes Early: ... Coming Soon!

Fictionaut	Posted: Feb 5 2013, 06:37 PM
Group: Members Posts: 96 Member No.: 3145 Joined: 28-December 12	Somehow "Dine" seems more appropriate for a Hobbit -------------------- League of Imaginary Heroes