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Ok, there's another factor at play, a reason for making Craft one of the roles: when I think about canonical dungeon-crawling so many of the tropes work with Craft: traps and bridges and rockslides and locked doors...etc., etc., etc. In order to work those things into the hazard/obstacle options with an appropriate frequency (not too often, not too rare) and variation (lots of different versions) the only way I could really make it work was to make Craft one of the travel roles so that it could leverage the Hazard mechanics.

Glorelendil wrote:

Rich H wrote:Once you get this finished we'll have underground and overground rules. To finish it off we'll need some Wombling free ones.

That went over my head...

Underground, overground, Wombling free
The Wombles of Wimbledon common are we
Making good use of the things that we find
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

... I take it that the Wombles never made the journey across to the US.

Rich H wrote:... I take it that the Wombles never made the journey across to the US.

Not that I know of. Regardless, they remain much more obscure over here than, say, the Borrowers. And I might only be much aware of the latter due to my proximity to Canada (and more recently because of the Studio Ghibli anime adaptation).

Rich H wrote:

Glorelendil wrote:

Rich H wrote:Once you get this finished we'll have underground and overground rules. To finish it off we'll need some Wombling free ones.

That went over my head...

Underground, overground, Wombling free
The Wombles of Wimbledon common are we
Making good use of the things that we find
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

... I take it that the Wombles never made the journey across to the US.

I keep feeling guilty for not being up to speed on this thread and then I'm all confused again...

Just as an aside, for inspiration you may want to look around the net for the old Middle-Earth: The Wizards CCG. They had the Under-Deeps as part of the Dark Minions expansion (IIRC). Some baddies included The Spider of the Morlat (The Sulfur-Deeps below Dol Goldur), one of Shelob's spawn. There was also a crude sort of "map" that had the various connections between different sites you could possibly use.

Rich H wrote:

Glorelendil wrote:

Rich H wrote:Once you get this finished we'll have underground and overground rules. To finish it off we'll need some Wombling free ones.

That went over my head...

Underground, overground, Wombling free
The Wombles of Wimbledon common are we
Making good use of the things that we find
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

... I take it that the Wombles never made the journey across to the US.

at the risk of further thread-drift, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FhKNBV5FTU may help explain Rich's sense of humour...

StuartJ wrote:
at the risk of further thread-drift, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FhKNBV5FTU may help explain Rich's sense of humour...

I was expecting a video about Do-It-Yourself brain surgery ("with tools you probably have around the house") but you apparently were referring to his sense of humour in this particular case.

Glorelendil wrote:

StuartJ wrote:
at the risk of further thread-drift, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FhKNBV5FTU may help explain Rich's sense of humour...

I was expecting a video about Do-It-Yourself brain surgery ("with tools you probably have around the house") but you apparently were referring to his sense of humour in this particular case.

Like you have room to talk!

I have all the ME CCG stuff ( including maps) as its a great game and a great picture resource

Robin S

Have you developed this any further, David?