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Hermes Serpent wrote:Those probability numbers do, I believe, take into account the eye and gandalf runes. However you are correct in that they are for a single roll only. You can easily apply them to a D&D like skill challenge by noting the chance of failure and working it from that.

Then things get really skewed if/when you're WEARY.

...just saying.


Robert

Rich H wrote: All that's agreeing with what Stormcrow says that the rules aren't clear, isn't it?

definitely maybe!

SirKicley wrote:definitely maybe!

Cracking album.

Hermes Serpent wrote:Those probability numbers do, I believe, take into account the eye and gandalf runes. However you are correct in that they are for a single roll only. You can easily apply them to a D&D like skill challenge by noting the chance of failure and working it from that.

Great, glad those probabilities include the eye and gandalf rune. I still don't think this is enough, but please let me know if I'm missing something.

The issue is that for Encounters a single attempt can result in multiple successes (2 successes with at least 1 tengwar, and 3 successes with 2+ tengwar). This throws off the math and doesn't allow you to just use the 4e skill challenge tables which are made for only 1 potential success per attempt.

Please let me know if there is a way around this or if TOR tables exist similar to the one posted by Hermes Serpent that also include probability of great and fantastic successes.

bert1000 wrote:

Hermes Serpent wrote:Those probability numbers do, I believe, take into account the eye and gandalf runes. However you are correct in that they are for a single roll only. You can easily apply them to a D&D like skill challenge by noting the chance of failure and working it from that.

Great, glad those probabilities include the eye and gandalf rune. I still don't think this is enough, but please let me know if I'm missing something.

The issue is that for Encounters a single attempt can result in multiple successes (2 successes with at least 1 tengwar, and 3 successes with 2+ tengwar). This throws off the math and doesn't allow you to just use the 4e skill challenge tables which are made for only 1 potential success per attempt.

Please let me know if there is a way around this or if TOR tables exist similar to the one posted by Hermes Serpent that also include probability of great and fantastic successes.

I can solve this for you easily. It's a 50/50 probability outcome.

You either succeed or fail. 50/50 chance.

Robert

To get away from the maths - one thing to keep in mind with Encounters is that they're designed to model the sort of meetings in the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings where the travellers arrive at a potential safe haven after a long journey and have to convince the local ruler that they're trustworthy. It happens quite a lot. In the Hobbit, you've got Beorn's Hall, Thorin's meeting with Thranduil (a dismal failure) and the arrival at Laketown. (Heh, and you could arguably count the Unexpected Party as an Encounter, only Bilbo's so polite his Tolerance is through the roof).

In Lord of the Rings, the model holds for Tom Bombadil's House, arguably the Prancing Pony, the meeting with Galadriel, Aragorn and co meeting Eomer, Merry and Pippin meeting Treebeard, Frodo and Faramir, and Pippin/Gandalf and Denethor (another failed Encounter). In each case, you've got the Companions arriving, introducing themselves, and trying to show they're not enemies so they can shelter and rest. You can expand the model to other, similar interactions, but Encounters work best when the PCs are in need and they're on the home ground of the person whose Tolerance is being tested.

Mytholder wrote:To get away from the maths - one thing to keep in mind with Encounters is that they're designed to model the sort of meetings in the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings where the travellers arrive at a potential safe haven after a long journey and have to convince the local ruler that they're trustworthy. It happens quite a lot. In the Hobbit, you've got Beorn's Hall, Thorin's meeting with Thranduil (a dismal failure) and the arrival at Laketown. (Heh, and you could arguably count the Unexpected Party as an Encounter, only Bilbo's so polite his Tolerance is through the roof).

Absolutely!! QFT!

Let us not forget the trio meeting Eomer on the on Riddermark outside Fangorn Forest. Or the encounter Aragorn has addressing the King of the Dead and convincing him to finally honor their oath and earn their rest.

Robert

Mytholder wrote:(Heh, and you could arguably count the Unexpected Party as an Encounter, only Bilbo's so polite his Tolerance is through the roof).

Bombur: "Instead of using Courtesy, I'm going to juggle plates with Bifur and Bofur."
LM: "Ok....roll Athletics, with a TN of 18"
Bombur: (Looking at his character sheet with Athletics:0) "I'm invoking my Cooking trait."
LM: "Take an AP."

SirKicley wrote:

Mytholder wrote:To get away from the maths - one thing to keep in mind with Encounters is that they're designed to model the sort of meetings in the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings where the travellers arrive at a potential safe haven after a long journey and have to convince the local ruler that they're trustworthy. It happens quite a lot. In the Hobbit, you've got Beorn's Hall, Thorin's meeting with Thranduil (a dismal failure) and the arrival at Laketown. (Heh, and you could arguably count the Unexpected Party as an Encounter, only Bilbo's so polite his Tolerance is through the roof).

Absolutely!! QFT!

Let us not forget the trio meeting Eomer on the on Riddermark outside Fangorn Forest. Or the encounter Aragorn has addressing the King of the Dead and convincing him to finally honor their oath and earn their rest.

Robert

Pippin meeting Denethor.
Frodo meeting Faramir.
Gimli meeting Galadriel (and saying Good-bye)

It goes on and on.

SirKicley wrote:despite Stormcrow's often brusque or curt tone of text

There's a reason I don't call myself Lalaith!