How "new" is the new core rule book going to be?

[Ferretz]

So, there's a new edition of the core rule book coming out, and it's going to be in a single hardcover. I think this is great. I also hope C7 are going to tidy up the organization of the material, so no more endless flipping through two books for that one rule you forgot.

I also hope the nice people at C7 would add a few more options when it comes to character development. For instance, what happens when you're at max Valour and Wisdom? Can you still get new Rewards and Virtues? In general, more options for those big time heroic characters who should be able to kill scores of goblins with no trouble.

If C7 is going to add NEW stuff to the book, what would you ask for?

Cheers,

Eirik

[Beran]

I would say that they probably won't add too much new stuff, but rather tidy up and add errata info to what already exists.

[Ferretz]

Well, to me, the tidying up is the most important thing. And hardcovers are of course a big plus.

-Eirik

[Mim]

You raise a great question that's also troubling me Eirik, but I'm guessing that Beran probably hits it when he mentions the tidying up part.

I can't even begin to imagine how much work it will be for them to combine everything into a single volume, rearrange the endless Q&A we've all had over the past few years into a more user friendly format, & write a new index. I'm working on the editorial proofs for a couple of my books as we speak, & it's a lot of work!

[DavetheLost]

At a minimum I hope that a signature is added at the end containing the collected errata and clarifications. I would rather see them integrated into the text, but if we can't have that just having them bound into the same book would be very nice.

[Beran]

You raise a great question that's also troubling me Eirik, but I'm guessing that Beran probably hits it when he mentions the tidying up part.

I can't even begin to imagine how much work it will be for them to combine everything into a single volume, rearrange the endless Q&A we've all had over the past few years into a more user friendly format, & write a new index. I'm working on the editorial proofs for a couple of my books as we speak, & it's a lot of work!

Not knowing what the plan is for the revised edition I don't really see it as being too difficult. As I say I don't think they will be adding too much new stuff to the main body of the work. And combining them into one book I don't think would too difficult either. The index has pretty much been straightened out already in PDF form, and all they would have to do is add an errata section as an appendix.

[Glorelendil]

I can see why they want to avoid adding/changing a bunch of rules, because then it becomes a "2nd Edition" not a "second printing."

Still...as long as they are reformatting I hope they take the opportunity to fix some things. They could put "new" rules in visually distinct sidebars, for people who want to use them. For example, in another thread there is a discussion about why higher level characters would use any stance other than Defensive. That would be a great area to introduce a new rule or two.

[DavetheLost]

Correcting errata in the body of the rules would not suffice to make a new edition, unless you are Chaosium, it would still be considered a reprint in my book.

Adding sidebars or notes at the back with clarifications and designers notes would also not warrant calling it a new edition. Although doing both this and incorporating errata in the body might warrant calling it "revised".

Dropping current rules in favor of new ones would definitely make it a new edition. In my opinion editing the current two books into a single book, not just wrapping a cover around them both, would also warrant calling it a second edition.

To be honest, I hope we don't see much more than fixing the errata and maybe adding such alternatives as the new Journey rules. Keep the rest of the new and expanded rulese for the supplements, and when there are enough of them issue a collection of new rules and procedures as options for game play.

[Beran]

It's not being billed as a "New Edition", but as "The One Ring Revised Core Manual". That means to me that the rules will be pretty much the same, just that they will be re worded to help clear up any misunderstandings, will be described in more detail, etc. They will probably not be adding anything exceptionally new to the book as that would more then likely require going through the acceptance procedure all over again.

[Glorelendil]

It's not being billed as a "New Edition", but as "The One Ring Revised Core Manual". That means to me that the rules will be pretty much the same, just that they will be re worded to help clear up any misunderstandings, will be described in more detail, etc. They will probably not be adding anything exceptionally new to the book as that would more then likely require going through the acceptance procedure all over again.

Yes, that's my understanding, too. I was just expressing a wish that they would include some new rule options in areas where there is general agreement that some tweaking would be beneficial.