Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
In my role-playing games in Middle-Earth I've always used a distinction between the three dwarven houses of the West: the Longbeards, the Firebeards and the Broadbeams (see of Dwarves and Men in History of Middle-Earth).
But as I play in spanish, I've always had a problem translating the Broadbeams. Does "beam" mean something special in this case? I've seen it used for "moon beam", or "laser beam", as a ray of light, but it doesn't make a lot of sense (I think) referring to dwarves.
Can you help me undestand if Broadbeam is an expression for something that eludes my limited knowledge of english?
The spanish translation of the book says "Nalgudos", which means "Big buttocks", but I don't see it fits with a dwarven house...
But as I play in spanish, I've always had a problem translating the Broadbeams. Does "beam" mean something special in this case? I've seen it used for "moon beam", or "laser beam", as a ray of light, but it doesn't make a lot of sense (I think) referring to dwarves.
Can you help me undestand if Broadbeam is an expression for something that eludes my limited knowledge of english?
The spanish translation of the book says "Nalgudos", which means "Big buttocks", but I don't see it fits with a dwarven house...
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
That's a pretty accurate translation of one of the English meanings, as in wide hips. Could also be used regarding a ship as in she's got a broad-beam, meaning a wide hull. I've not heard it used to describe a person though, except maybe in a very derogatory manner.
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A beam can also be a support element in construction, I think that in spanish it's called "viga". Although I'm not sure that having a clan called "Viga Ancha" will be an improvement.
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
Thanks to both for the answers.
Maybe something in the line of "broad foundations", referring either to a certain attachment to earth or to very big feet
could be more fitting to dwarves.
Interestingly enough, the other names of the clans do refer to either their beards -Longbeards, Firebeards, Stiffbeards- or their hands/feet -Ironfists, Stonefoots-. Maybe Broadbeams might refer to very broad legs and/or feet.
As an additional question: any special meaning also for the Blacklocks? I translate Lock as "closed with a key", but again, doesn't make much sense to me.
Maybe something in the line of "broad foundations", referring either to a certain attachment to earth or to very big feet
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Interestingly enough, the other names of the clans do refer to either their beards -Longbeards, Firebeards, Stiffbeards- or their hands/feet -Ironfists, Stonefoots-. Maybe Broadbeams might refer to very broad legs and/or feet.
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As an additional question: any special meaning also for the Blacklocks? I translate Lock as "closed with a key", but again, doesn't make much sense to me.
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
locks as in locks of hair - Goldilocks and the Three Bears ![Smile :-)](images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
So Blacklocks - dark or black hair
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So Blacklocks - dark or black hair
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
Perfect!!Hermes Serpent wrote:locks as in locks of hair - Goldilocks and the Three Bears
So Blacklocks - dark or black hair
Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
And probably curled one as well.Hermes Serpent wrote:locks as in locks of hair - Goldilocks and the Three Bears
So Blacklocks - dark or black hair
Concerning the Broadbeams, it might refer to a typically broad build (even for dwarven standards). IIRC in The Hobbit or LotR it is mentioned that Bombur is not of Durin's tribe and it is tempting to see him as a Broadbeam (but he might be overweight even to their standards).
So in short, the Broadbeams are probably characterised by their overall broad and squat built compared to the other tribes.
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
Regarding Blacklocks,the first image that came to my mind was this:
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
A beam is usually a lateral support structure, like a heavy wooden crosspiece. I would interpret as one of the following:
-their preference for using heavy foundations and thick construction techniques (a literal interpretation)
-a metaphor for a physical quality like a very broad shoulder set or a strong, wide back.
-their preference for using heavy foundations and thick construction techniques (a literal interpretation)
-a metaphor for a physical quality like a very broad shoulder set or a strong, wide back.
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Re: Help with the translation of "Broadbeam"
Beam has several english meaningsFalenthal wrote: Can you help me undestand if Broadbeam is an expression for something that eludes my limited knowledge of english?
The spanish translation of the book says "Nalgudos", which means "Big buttocks", but I don't see it fits with a dwarven house...
1a) synonym for ray, as in beam of light
1b) (uncommon) Transmission, as in radio or television
2) horizontal Structural element that bears heavy loads
3) width of a ship or aircraft
4) (slang) to strike with a heavy wooden implement
5) (slang) girder, as in steel frame construction
broadbeam is a naval term for a very wide ship. Nearly synonymous with widebottom.
Broadbeam is also an adaptation of a construction phrase for a wide, heavy beam.
Tolkien's use is probably punning on both the structural member and the width... and "big buttocks" would be a good anatomical rendition of widebottom (bottom being used as a colloquialism for buttocks).
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