No Quarter

[Corvo]

The way I understand it, if you're knocked out (wounded twice) you're unconscious too, but if you're reduced to 0 endurance, you're unconscious but not knocked out (and so maybe immune to No Quarter, even if it seems weird). Am I right?

You posted while I was editing
Re-reading my first citation I take it that being wounded twice make you unconscious, period. So there is no "knocked out" condition.

[doctheweasel]

I'm in agreement with Corvo. I think those who think unconscious is different from knocked out are assuming a level of keyword rigor that doesn't exist in this game, especially in this case where it contradicts common sense.

[Morgoth]

The way I understand it, if you're knocked out (wounded twice) you're unconscious too, but if you're reduced to 0 endurance, you're unconscious but not knocked out (and so maybe immune to No Quarter, even if it seems weird). Am I right?

You posted while I was editing
Re-reading my first citation I take it that being wounded twice make you unconscious, period. So there is no "knocked out" condition.

I agree with Yusei.

Knocked out has to mean something since it's the condition listed in No Quarter and in the AB. Otherwise, No Quarter wouldn't work at all. Knocked out is getting wounded twice which makes you unconscious. But if you're wounded and reduced to zero endurance, you're unconscious, but not knocked out. In other words, knocked out is a subset of unconscious.

Knock Out
Being Wounded does not have any immediate
consequences on the fighting performance of a
character, as it is a warrior’s prerogative that of being
able to endure such pain, but the injury puts a character
in danger of being knocked out of combat:
When a character whose Wounded box has already been
checked is Wounded again, he immediately becomes
unconscious (see below).
The second Wound is not recorded in any way. The
character was simply knocked out, or passed out from
shock.

[Yusei]

I'm not sure I agree with myself. Unconcious and knocked-out being the same would make a lot more sense.

I think we need a revised edition...

[Glorelendil]

I think they're just synonyms, or used as such in this case.

I hope we don't become such rules lawyers that the authors have to write with linguistic strait-jackets.

[Corvo]

Morgoth, I think I understand your reasoning.
My opinion is that knocked out is just a descriptive term, while you think that it's a technical term of the game.

I can try to bring some weight to my interpretation, but i doubt I can make some headway -in rule lawyering terms- : my idea is that there is no "knock out" rule, so I cannot technically disprove it

Anyway,
AB, page 147:
"A Poisoned character is considered to be Wounded. Thus, if an already Poisoned character is wounded once, he falls unconscious as if Wounded twice (likewise, a Wounded character falls unconscious when Poisoned)."
A character wounded twice is reported as unconscious, while there is no trace of "Knocked Out" (on the other hand, I know that absence of proof isn't proof of absence )

Other than that, I can only add that I don't see the purpose of such a distinction in the game. Then again, my ignorance isn't a proof

[Glorelendil]

Is it fair to say that capitalized words are technical terms, and non-capitalized terms are descriptive?

[Corvo]

Is it fair to say that capitalized words are technical terms, and non-capitalized terms are descriptive?

Nope. I hoped, yet unconsious isn't capitalized

[Morgoth]

Well, they both get their own section in the AB, so I assume they're not the same thing. Otherwise, why make two terms that mean the exact same thing and list them as two different things?

[Corvo]

Well, they both get their own section in the AB, so I assume they're not the same thing. Otherwise, why make two terms that mean the exact same thing and list them as two different things?

Maybe they aren't listing two different things.
My interpetation is that the knock-out paragraph is about explaining what happens when someone is wounded twice, ie "he immediately becomes unconscious (see below)" even if he got endurance to spare.

Keep in mind that when TOR was published, that whole wound-thing that bypassed that not-really-hit-points-endurance-thing was somewhat of a novelty, so maybe they felt the need to explain it in detail

Other than that, knocked out don't get much of an explanation of its effects, nor a discernible reason to exist.