Twice-baked honey Cakes so powerful

[Stilts]

Because as soon as an adversary gets a pierce on you the hound and all its bonuses are gone until end of session or adventure.

That's true. But, still, it is a very good Virtue (and with a little Healing skill, you can make sure it's only gone for the rest of the battle/session).

It sort of helps that both Woodmen cultures start with Healing at rank 3 and favored.

[Robin Smallburrow]

What about the Lakemen virtue of your own valet which allows re rolls of the Feat die on all Fatigue tests - we just did the new rules with the Hobbit Tales cards, this is a powerful Virtue with the new rules ( this PC basically ignored 4 Eyes!!

Robin S

[Hermes Serpent]

Slightly confused Robin but with the revised rules you don't get to ignore Eyes during Travel. They trigger an Episode even if you pass the test.

[Robin Smallburrow]

Cultural Virtues - Men of the Lake:

Merchant Prince: Porter - a porter helps you in carrying your gear when you are adventuring. When you are making a Fatigue test, you can roll the Feat die twice and keep the best result.

So what you are saying is that in these instances if an Eye is rolled it still counts even if the roll is ignored?? I don't recall where this is in RAW... please show me so I can argue with my Player!

Robin S.

[Hermes Serpent]

Top of page 5 in the Clarifications and Amendments document.

"If at least one player rolls an Eye icon, a Hazard sequence
has been triggered (whether the roll failed or not)."

[Glorelendil]

Top of page 5 in the Clarifications and Amendments document.

"If at least one player rolls an Eye icon, a Hazard sequence
has been triggered (whether the roll failed or not)."

I don't think this applies to situations where you roll twice and keep the better result. It's referring to situations where, for example, the player rolls Eye and 3 6's: he passes the test but still triggers a Hazard.

[Pangea]

I don't think this applies to situations where you roll twice and keep the better result

I see it that way too, if you roll twice and only keep the best result on the Feat die, then the Eye result you did not choose did not "happen".

[zedturtle]

I don't think this applies to situations where you roll twice and keep the better result

I see it that way too, if you roll twice and only keep the best result on the Feat die, then the Eye result you did not choose did not "happen".

Right, and I think that's what Robin means when he says that the players were "ignoring" Eyes. Note the quote marks around ignoring, as the Eyes never happened.

[Hermes Serpent]

Maybe, but the whether the roll failed or not might be construed to include those cases where a Feat die rolls an eye even if the total is ignored in favour of another roll. I'd certainly think about playing it that way especially if the die roll was simultaneous rather than sequential i.e. test and if it passes fine otherwise get a second roll of the Feat die.

The wording is "When you are making a Fatigue test, you can roll the Feat die twice and keep the best result." It implies you roll one die twice not two dice and the use of 'can' also implies if the first die roll is a success you choose to roll the second Feat die or not. If the first roll is an Eye then it meets the requirements for 'rolling an Eye causes an Episode', and same for the second roll if you choose to make it even if you then pick the first result.

It also fails to say you ignore the 'bad' result but that you chose the 'best' result.

The fact that the authors chose not to address this issue suggest either it wasn't thought to be an issue (an Eye is a hazard) or it didn't occur in testing.

[Aeglosdir]

I too would have thought that if you get to keep the best result, then it implies you ignore the bad result or else you'd be keeping both results. (What if you roll an Eye twice?) Or maybe these things are indeed apples and oranges. An official clarification would be good I think.