Misty Mountains Expansion?

[Heilemann]

Just throwing this out there, I'm sure C7 has something on their minds for this already, but I got to thinking that I'd love to see a Laketown-like expansion for the Misty Mountains. That is, a booklet with some sort of system for running underground games, lots of information about goblins and what not (including how to make crossing the mountains exciting), and of course a beautiful Loremaster screen with Misty Mountains sprawled from left to right.

Unless of course that Moria campaign we've wished for before is in the works, in which case I'll take that

[Khamul]

I miss a Dale and Lonely Mountain source book.

[Falenthal]

I miss a Dale and Lonely Mountain source book.

Me too. In fact, Dale and Erebor could/should be in the same source book, as they are so interrelated.

We have new Fellowship Undertakings in every other settlement thanks to Heart and Darkening, but nothing new and special for Bardings or Dwarves.
My dwarven player is really upset that the beorning can visit the Carrock and such, while he can only Heal Corruption and make patrons.

Ok, I know we should come up with new undertakings ourselves (Visit the Arkenstone, Search the Old Libraries of Erebor, ...), but it's nice to have official ones for everyone.

[Stormcrow]

It's mostly just a matter of mapping lots of caves and populating them with goblins and other creatures. You don't really need Cubicle7 to feed this to you; just make something up!

[Glorelendil]

It's mostly just a matter of mapping lots of caves and populating them with goblins and other creatures. You don't really need Cubicle7 to feed this to you; just make something up!

I think angelalex hacked stormcrow's account.

[Heilemann]

Yeah, Erebor and Dale are definitely in need of some love as well. I love Rivendell and everything, but I'm still a little confused as to why C7 would move on to something else before properly covering Wilderland itself.

[Glorelendil]

Yeah, Erebor and Dale are definitely in need of some love as well. I love Rivendell and everything, but I'm still a little confused as to why C7 would move on to something else before properly covering Wilderland itself.

Well, define "proper". There's an infinite amount of content to develop for any region. Personally I'm glad they did Rivendell before exhausting Wilderland. I'd much rather they alternate between expanding areas (and cultures!) and going back to add depth to previous ones.

[zedturtle]

Yeah, Erebor and Dale are definitely in need of some love as well. I love Rivendell and everything, but I'm still a little confused as to why C7 would move on to something else before properly covering Wilderland itself.

I was looking at the map the other day and thinking of all the adventure potential in the Dale Lands, the Iron Hills and everwhere else in Wilderland, so I get what you're saying. But I understand the need to expand as well. There's been more than one thread on general purpose RPG fora about how people can't get into TOR because they feel restricted (now, of course, you can say 'You can play a Ranger!' or 'You can play a Noldor!' but Rohan and Gondor are still off-limits.).

I do think a guide to the Dalelands would be a bit more useful than the Misty Mountains... Rich's unofficial guide helped a lot as I made my 'expanded edition' of the Crossings of Celduin.

[Heilemann]

Yes, there's a lot of material to cover in Wilderland. However, first of all, two of the playable races are from Dale and Erebor, and beyond that along with Lake-Town it is the most populated area of all of Wilderland (by far at least by free peoples), which suggests that there ought to be a lot to do around there. Which is supported by the fact that TOR itself suggests Lake-town as the campaign starting point. So it's a bit akin to saying: "Start here, then get the hell out, because there's not a lot to do around here".

Tales of Wilderland spends most of its time around the Anduin, but climaxes east of Mirkwood; it'd sure be nice if it was possible to fill in some detail and adventures around those parts.

With that in mind, I'm still inclined to say that Misty Mountains needs their own small supplement, for a number of reasons. First of all it's an Adventure game, and while the above is true, I can live with prodding the company to get them out and about. But more importantly, Mirkwood and the Misty Mountains are home to the enemy. If you're going to put yourself in harms way, the mountains is not a bad place to do so.

There have been threads in which systems for exploring vast cave systems were outline, and I personally would love to bring my company under the mountains. But what's there? What about going through the passes? What is that like? Maybe there could be a Men of Mountain Hall playable race, and some new Goblins of Moria etc.

Recently we were playing through Darkening in the Marshes, and the players decided that the hammering in the deep was of course a hint that they should go into the mountains. To which I presented a 'eeeeeeh', because not only had I not thought about that, but I didn't have any material to back me up.

PS: Re. 'just make it up': Why are any of us here if it's that easy?

[zedturtle]

PS: Re. 'just make it up': Why are any of us here if it's that easy?

To show off what we made?

I think some of that attitude comes from the fact that (at least for me) I find it extraordinarily easier to make stuff up for my specific players than as a generic adventure or set of rules. In other words, if my players want to go charging off the map, I know their characters and can probably come up with something that will interest at least a few of them.

But making things up and making it appeal to the widest possible range of player and character types? That's hard.

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I'm not sure if we'll every get an official 'Guide to the Misty Mountains'. The best we'll get, I think, is a compendium of fan-made stuff that maybe accounts for what we see of them in the official material (i.e. Part of two adventures in Tales). Maybe we can post stuff to this thread for ideas that we have...