Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

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Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by beckett » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:09 pm

Quick question, perhaps a silly one, concerning this Undertaking from the Rivendell book. The rules state:

A character spending a Fellowship phase in Rivendell (or in another place where a Lore-master dwells) may choose this undertaking...

My question is this: Who are the Lore-Masters for the purposes of this Undertaking besides the obvious (Master Elrond, the Wizards, and Lady Galadriel). Would King Thranduil be one?

I checked the awesome new Palantir, and came up empty on this one.
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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by Falenthal » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:55 pm

I consider Lore-master anyone who might know something about the researched stuff. For example, if your hero needs some info about Moria, probably Dáin II would be a suitable Lore-master, while Radagast might not. On the other hand, Radagast might be the perfect Lore-master to ask about the Werewolf of Mirkwood, while Dáin II might not even have heard about it.

Also, keep in mind that the Undertaking (if I'm not confusing it with Search for Answers from HotW) states that also places where knowledge is kept are suitable for the Undertaking. I guess it's inspired by Gandalf looking in the libraries of Minas Tirith for info about the One Ring, where he found the Scroll of Isildur, even when there was no Lore-master to ask about.

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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by beckett » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:09 pm

Falenthal wrote:I consider Lore-master anyone who might know something about the researched stuff. For example, if your hero needs some info about Moria, probably Dáin II would be a suitable Lore-master, while Radagast might not. On the other hand, Radagast might be the perfect Lore-master to ask about the Werewolf of Mirkwood, while Dáin II might not even have heard about it.

Also, keep in mind that the Undertaking (if I'm not confusing it with Search for Answers from HotW) states that also places where knowledge is kept are suitable for the Undertaking. I guess it's inspired by Gandalf looking in the libraries of Minas Tirith for info about the One Ring, where he found the Scroll of Isildur, even when there was no Lore-master to ask about.
Sounds like your confusing it with Search for Answers. If I'm not mistaken there are two, slightly different Search for Answers Undertakings (one in HotW and the other in DoM) and then there is Researching Lore in the House of Elrond from the Rivendell book.

The Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking is used to learn about an magical item found in a Treasure Hoard. Check out page 21 of Rivendell.
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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by Glorelendil » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:29 pm

To be honest, the hardest part of TOR for me to keep track of in my head are my options for undertakings each Fellowship Phase.

I'd love an online character sheet that let you pick a FP location, and then used your character sheet (culture, hope, shadow, virtues, etc.) to both list and prioritize available undertakings. "Oh, you're a Dunedain with high Shadow and you're in Rivendell, you should..."
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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by DavetheLost » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:58 pm

Yes, Go See a Lore-master is all about what is this magic goody I found.

So, if you want to know more aboyt that little gold ring you found outside of Goblin-Town Sauruman at Isengard would be your man. He knows all about rings and stuff... He even forged his own, and I would love to know more about that.

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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by DavetheLost » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:06 pm

I agree that keeping track of all the Fellowship Phase undertakings, which are available where, to whom, and what they do is getting quite complex.

Some are location specific "When in Lake-Town you can...", some are culture specific "If you are a Dwarf you can...", some are NPC specific "If there is a Lore-master you can..." I have enough to do keeping track of the rest of the world, do I really have to keep track of all the Undertakings available to my players as well?

And what about Orcs, don't they get Fellowsip Phase Undertakings? "Looks like meats back on the menu boys! This undertaking heals wounds and restores hate. At the cost of a couple of slaggards from the ranks." :twisted:

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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by Glorelendil » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:09 pm

DavetheLost wrote:I agree that keeping track of all the Fellowship Phase undertakings, which are available where, to whom, and what they do is getting quite complex.

Some are location specific "When in Lake-Town you can...", some are culture specific "If you are a Dwarf you can...", some are NPC specific "If there is a Lore-master you can..." I have enough to do keeping track of the rest of the world, do I really have to keep track of all the Undertakings available to my players as well?

And what about Orcs, don't they get Fellowsip Phase Undertakings? "Looks like meats back on the menu boys! This undertaking heals wounds and restores hate. At the cost of a couple of slaggards from the ranks." :twisted:
Orc undertakings:
"Eliminate Rival"
"Breed Like Vermin"
"Expand Tunnels"
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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by Falenthal » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:24 pm

beckett wrote:
Falenthal wrote:I consider Lore-master anyone who might know something about the researched stuff. For example, if your hero needs some info about Moria, probably Dáin II would be a suitable Lore-master, while Radagast might not. On the other hand, Radagast might be the perfect Lore-master to ask about the Werewolf of Mirkwood, while Dáin II might not even have heard about it.

Also, keep in mind that the Undertaking (if I'm not confusing it with Search for Answers from HotW) states that also places where knowledge is kept are suitable for the Undertaking. I guess it's inspired by Gandalf looking in the libraries of Minas Tirith for info about the One Ring, where he found the Scroll of Isildur, even when there was no Lore-master to ask about.
Sounds like your confusing it with Search for Answers. If I'm not mistaken there are two, slightly different Search for Answers Undertakings (one in HotW and the other in DoM) and then there is Researching Lore in the House of Elrond from the Rivendell book.

The Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking is used to learn about an magical item found in a Treasure Hoard. Check out page 21 of Rivendell.
You're right, I confused both Undetakings. But I think my first sentence is still valid: "anyone who might know something about the researched stuff"

I used Glóin (who was the dwarf's hero Patron) as Lore-master to further inquire about his recently discoverd chainmail of dwarven manufacture. Had it been elven, only Thranduil would have been a suitable Lore-master. And son on.

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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by beckett » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:26 pm

DavetheLost wrote:Yes, Go See a Lore-master is all about what is this magic goody I found.
Correct. Who are the Lore-Masters for the purposes of this Undertaking besides the obvious Master Elrond in Rivendell. Do you think King Thranduil would be one?
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Re: Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking

Post by beckett » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:28 pm

Falenthal wrote:
beckett wrote:
Falenthal wrote:I consider Lore-master anyone who might know something about the researched stuff. For example, if your hero needs some info about Moria, probably Dáin II would be a suitable Lore-master, while Radagast might not. On the other hand, Radagast might be the perfect Lore-master to ask about the Werewolf of Mirkwood, while Dáin II might not even have heard about it.

Also, keep in mind that the Undertaking (if I'm not confusing it with Search for Answers from HotW) states that also places where knowledge is kept are suitable for the Undertaking. I guess it's inspired by Gandalf looking in the libraries of Minas Tirith for info about the One Ring, where he found the Scroll of Isildur, even when there was no Lore-master to ask about.
Sounds like your confusing it with Search for Answers. If I'm not mistaken there are two, slightly different Search for Answers Undertakings (one in HotW and the other in DoM) and then there is Researching Lore in the House of Elrond from the Rivendell book.

The Go See A Lore-Master Undertaking is used to learn about an magical item found in a Treasure Hoard. Check out page 21 of Rivendell.
You're right, I confused both Undetakings. But I think my first sentence is still valid: "anyone who might know something about the researched stuff"

I used Glóin (who was the dwarf's hero Patron) as Lore-master to further inquire about his recently discoverd chainmail of dwarven manufacture. Had it been elven, only Thranduil would have been a suitable Lore-master. And son on.
Ah! So you think it's fair to say the King Under the Mountain would be an appropriate Lore-Master if a player-hero wanted to Go See a Lore-Master to learn more about that Mithril Coat he found in a Troll-hoard?
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