Dragontide and scoring in the wreath and wand shoot

[Alatar]

Hello fellow forumites.
I have gotten a bit confused by the scoring for the loremaster competitors in the wreath shoot and the wand shoot archery competitions during the dragontide festival. We are at the moment in the year 2956 T.A. so the Laketown book indicates that the size of the competition is now regional, which means that you should roll 1 success die for each round of each competition to find out how well the L.M. characters are doing. This means that they score somewhere between 2 and 12 points for each competition whilst the adventurers can only score between 2 and 6 points (provided that they hit all their shots).
My questions is this: Is this really correct?
It seems almost impossible for the adventurers to win baring exceptional bad luck on the part of the L.M. Don't get me wrong, I don't want it to be easy but there should at least be a chance for the best archers amongst the adventurers.

[Deadmanwalking]

The listed amount on LM characters is the score per shoot. The listed PC scores (1-3) are per individual shot, of which there are 2 per shoot...for a score of between 2 and 6, and roughly comparable to the 1-6 Loremaster characters get per shoot.

To put it another way, if the PC makes all their shots, they score between 4 and 12 points, to the LM character's 2 to 12 (though the PCs will skew at the lower end of that range).

[Alatar]

Has this been in some kind of errata somewhere?
It certainly makes sense for it to be this way but as far as i can tell from page 19 in the Lake-town book under regional it says and I quote: "To gauge the opposition faced by the players, the Loremaster generates a score in points, representing the best score attained by the archers competing against the companions. To do so, the Loremaster rolls one or two Success dice for every round of each shoot" and further down in the text it says under the Regional heading: "the Loremaster's score in points for each round is determined by rolling one success die".
Looking back at the the wreath shoot, the text states that "It is played in two rounds, with archers aiming at a wreath decorated with vines and flowers, nailed to a wide wooden board"

[zedturtle]

I guess the only consideration not yet factored in is the Awareness test, which can get you up to three bonus Dice (which can be spent on a single roll, unlike regular bonus dice). That means that experienced heroes will tend towards the higher scores, but it still would come up below the expected value for 4d6 (aka 14).

[Deadmanwalking]

Huh. You're right, that's what I get for not reading it carefully enough. That is, in fact, really weird.

How does someone do better than the perfect 3 point shot? That doesn't seem to make any sense at all from a logical perspective...

[Mithrandir]

For Local, Regional, Kingly it should read

the Loremaster’s score in points for each shoot is determined...

the confusion seems to be with rounds interpreted as individual shots

[Deadmanwalking]

For Local, Regional, Kingly it should read

the Loremaster’s score in points for each shoot is determined...

the confusion seems to be with rounds interpreted as individual shots

That'd make the rules make sense, certainly. But they explicitly say to count per time the PCs roll, per round, and other things that make it impossible to actually read the rules that way.

[Earendil]

For Local, Regional, Kingly it should read

the Loremaster’s score in points for each shoot is determined...

the confusion seems to be with rounds interpreted as individual shots

That'd make the rules make sense, certainly. But they explicitly say to count per time the PCs roll, per round, and other things that make it impossible to actually read the rules that way.

You're right, it does read the way you say. I hadn't noticed that till I read this thread, so thanks to Altar for pointing it out!

But that doesn't make any sense. The intention surely must be as Mithrandir says, even though that's not actually what it says.

[Deadmanwalking]

You're right, it does read the way you say. I hadn't noticed that till I read this thread, so thanks to Altar for pointing it out!

Me either. And yeah, thanks Alatar.

But that doesn't make any sense. The intention surely must be as Mithrandir says, even though that's not actually what it says.

Either that, or PCs were intended to get 2 points er success level (so 2-6 per shot) on the shoots. But yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a distinct problem in there somewhere.

[Alatar]

You're right, it does read the way you say. I hadn't noticed that till I read this thread, so thanks to Altar for pointing it out!

Me either. And yeah, thanks Alatar.

But that doesn't make any sense. The intention surely must be as Mithrandir says, even though that's not actually what it says.

Either that, or PCs were intended to get 2 points er success level (so 2-6 per shot) on the shoots. But yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a distinct problem in there somewhere.

Happy to be of service. And thanks for helping me throw around a few ideas. I guess i makes more sense if it's just 1 die being rolled for every separate competition. Although in this case it seems a bit to simple to win for the PC:s. Or maybe it's just the fact that the L.M:s points will be so utterly random in the regional sized competition.