Wood Elf Magic

[Southron]

The core of my question can I cast Elf lights and enchanted sleep upon an arrow and to light it at will? Or would you allow it in your games.

1)You can make an arrow flicker as if with a magical fire, making it fly true
2)You know how to make a torch or a lamp burn with a peculiar flame that attracts all mortals who see it....You may snuff out the light at will, even from a distance...

[Hermes Serpent]

No and No.

[Shane]

I'm in full agreement; I wouldn't allow it.


Regards,

Shane

[Deadmanwalking]

Yeah, that's pretty clearly not the intent of how that works, nor does it sound thematically appropriate.

[Robin Smallburrow]

I would not categorically say 'No' to the first question, but you need to understand that what you are effectively asking for here is actually three spells/magical effects, not one! The normal spell allows the elven caster to light a torch etc. with a special type of flame that attracts mortals.

Then you are asking if this would be possible to cast 'at a distance' where the caster isn't actually touching the object (very hard to do),thirdly you want to include a 'trigger' type effect for the spell to 'go off' when the caster wants it to. This would require a lot of Hope expenditure (probably 6!!), and I personally would probably require the PC to choose the Virtue again if they wanted to be able to use such 'improved virtues'. Of course if you are using my magic system, I would probably allow it for a Dwimmer-crafter character (one who was familiar with magic and had many years experience with the magical effect).

The second request is impossible - how can you cast Enchanted Sleep on a non-living object??? Certainly not possible in Middle-earth - you or the player making such a request needs to do some more reading on the 'Unati' of Middle-earth!

Robin S.

[Lugija]

Let's see, using the elf-light in a fire arrow ("When you hold it like this it's a torch") and then firing it away somewhere where you want to lure people... rule of cool says that I'd allow it. It goes farther than if you just threw the torch. But it would have to be an arrow made for that purpose, and you can't shoot those as accurately (I think, I haven't tried).

[Glorelendil]

Ok, but what if you're standing on two barrels while plunging down rapids? Then I think this is a totally legit use of Wood Elf Magic.

[Southron]

I think the more iffy issue is the the idea since it could be snuffed out or made to flare at a distance could it not also be lit at a distance ( in flight) and that I am willing to concede.

However, for the following:

If a torch could be used why not a arrow especially since you have the ability to set it alight as with magical fire using stinging arrow.

It would seem to me since one must cast Elf-lights to even use Enchanted sleep using two hope points and since one can already make an arrow with with seemingly magic fire, is it such a big jump to use one extra hope point for a total of three to use stinging arrow as the delivery system?

[Arthadan]

I'd say no. The spell seems to imply you have to carry the enchanted flame, keeping it close to you. Also, an arrow shot seems too fast to lure anybody, you can barely see it!

[Southron]

I'd say no. The spell seems to imply you have to carry the enchanted flame, keeping it close to you. Also, an arrow shot seems too fast to lure anybody, you can barely see it!

The idea is to deliver the enchanted sleep spell at a distance. Not to have people follow it in horizontal flight.
For example, the fellowship is being followed and the Elf character fires an arrow. When it reaches its apex Elf-lights is cast then when it lands enchanted sleep follows.

With all that being said, the LM came up with a way to work it in as a home brew next level wood elf magic spell were the arrow is consumed and can not be used to physically attack. An extra EP to get it, and the same two points to cast.