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Re: IC explanation

Post by Falenthal » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:22 pm

Angelalex242 wrote:Well, Fal, this elf just completed the 'white tower' adventure. And he has the 'enemy of Sauron' trait. So your choice 2 sounds a lot closer to what just happened. (He has elven lore for his other trait...and the vengeful kin background, and orc slayer...)

So...yeah. This guy's pretty much there to give Sauron a terrible horrible no good very bad day. As best he can, anyway.
I think your elf nails the kind of High Elf I had in mind when proposing the idea! :)

Glad if it serves you as a draft for your own character.

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Re: IC explanation

Post by Falenthal » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:35 pm

Glorelendil wrote:
Falenthal wrote: * Someone beloved to you (your parents, a brother, a loved one...) has travelled to the Grey Havens to abandon Middle-Earth. You went with him to bid him farewell. There you saw the Sea for the first time, and stood in the port gazing to the West during some nights, under the light of the stars. You've never been to Valinor, but in those days (and nights) spent at the Havens, you saw a glimpse of the Inmortal Lands that await those of your race. Now you know there's a light at the end of the road, and bear this light with you in this dark times.
Awesome idea for a new Undertaking for elves, Falenthal. Allowed once (ever) per character; make a Wisdom roll and restore 1 Hope on a success, 2 on a Great Success, 3 on an Extraordinary Success. Or, given the stiff requirements, make it 1 by default, +1-3 more as per above.
Would be nice to discuss "What happens to elves the first time they see the Sea?".
We have the knowledge about what happens to Legolas, to the point of being forwarned by Galadriel herself of the dangers implied.

I'd say, first of all, there are two ways this can happen:
1) As an "accident", as something that happens in an adventure -for example-, where the elf might not be fully prepared to face the effects of the Sea on him, and the primitive instincts that will be awoken in him.

2) As an Undertaking, being fully conscious and willing to visit the Sea (whether at the Grey Havens or anywhere else).

For the second option, I think the "There And Back Again" Undertaking from the Rivendell supplement might fit perfectly well: recover Hope, as it gives you something more to fight for and the consolation that there'll be always an escape from the misery of the world. But also gain some Shadow, as the chance to leave everything behind, and let the mortals face their own problems, is a very strong temptation.

For the first, I don't have any clear idea. Something a bit "savage" but interesting could be:
"Gain as many Shadow points and Hope points as your Wisdom score."

The more wild elves (mirkwood, avari,...) don't feel the Call of the Sea as strong, but the wisest (Noldo, old ones,...) find it very difficult to resist and avoid it at all costs. Elrond and Galadriel only travelled to Lindon when they were ready to depart.
On the other hand, the wisest elves know exactly the importance of the Way to the West, and therefore find it a stronger source of Hope to resist in Middle-Earth.

The question is: how does Círdan resist the lure for such a long time, being one the Wise? But we'll surely get the explanation when the Elves of the Grey Havens come out as a playable cuture. :D

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Re: IC explanation

Post by zedturtle » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:54 pm

Is your elf Calaquendi or Moriquendi?

If he/she is Calaquendi, then the virtue becoming active after the character begins play almost has to be explained using Rich's point of view... the light of the Trees was always present in the character, but now it is an important part of the story.

If the elf is Moriquendi, then things are more complicated. I like Fal's suggestions above regarding an undertaking, but the world is bent and the Trees are dead. There is no light in Valinor, and Gil-Estel is in the night sky for everyone to see already. That's why I framed it in my first post as the elf becoming more spiritual, more in the other world and closer to his own spirit. The Fëa showing through the Hröa, as it were.
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Re: IC explanation

Post by Angelalex242 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:27 am

Well, he is a diplomat TOO. His highest common skills are all encounter based. Both virtues are also out of combat stuff. But he still has Enemy of Sauron and he's still an orc slayer. So when the time comes to unite the free peoples to kick Sauron and his orcs in the junk, he'll be gathering the team :)

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