Dwarven Armies?

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mirkwoodfalcon
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Dwarven Armies?

Post by mirkwoodfalcon » Wed May 06, 2015 7:47 pm

Hello everyone!

I was reading in the revised Core Rulebook and came across an interesting passage in the timeline. On page 256, in Year 2793, it states that 'The Dwarves of Durin's Folk, strengthened by great forces sent from the Houses of the other Fathers of the Dwarves, begin a long and cruel war against the Orcs of the Misty Mountains.'
We know that Durin's folk dwell now in Ered Luin and the Iron Hills. Where are these other dwarves coming from? (Many of the dwarven lineages were ended with the sinking of Beleriand, which destroyed Belegost and Nogrod, and the other dwarven families were located waaaaaaay out east, beyond the reach of most, if not all travel and trade.)
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Re: Dwarven Armies?

Post by Tolwen » Wed May 06, 2015 9:18 pm

mirkwoodfalcon wrote:Hello everyone!

I was reading in the revised Core Rulebook and came across an interesting passage in the timeline. On page 256, in Year 2793, it states that 'The Dwarves of Durin's Folk, strengthened by great forces sent from the Houses of the other Fathers of the Dwarves, begin a long and cruel war against the Orcs of the Misty Mountains.'
We know that Durin's folk dwell now in Ered Luin and the Iron Hills. Where are these other dwarves coming from? (Many of the dwarven lineages were ended with the sinking of Beleriand, which destroyed Belegost and Nogrod, and the other dwarven families were located waaaaaaay out east, beyond the reach of most, if not all travel and trade.)
That is - in other words - what is in the Appendix A of the LotR. After the slaying of Thrór by Azog, Thráin sent messengers to the other Houses (west, north and east - but not south!). The great distances involved are also accounted for, as it took three years for the dwarven host to muster. And then began the War of the Orcs and the Dwarves.

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Re: Dwarven Armies?

Post by mirkwoodfalcon » Wed May 06, 2015 11:49 pm

Thanks Tolwen for your insight. I find it very interesting to consider that the dwarves mantain relations (or at least communicate with, in this instance) the dwarves of the far east and I can't help but wonder what the extent of their political ties is.
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Re: Dwarven Armies?

Post by Terisonen » Thu May 07, 2015 8:10 am

So you have to answer by yourself, for Tolkien has left most of Middle Earth as a question. I do not think Tolkien as foretell that is creation will be interesting so much people for so much question about why and where. We where about the centennial of his creation and Middle Earth is still growing more and more... It's amazing and it's unabating with years...
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Re: Dwarven Armies?

Post by Otaku-sempai » Thu May 07, 2015 3:21 pm

The Firebeards and Broadbeams founded the First-Age cities of Nogrod and Belegost in the Blue Mountains. The Dwarves of Belegost in some references were called the Indrafangs (a name originally attributed to the Longbeards--Durin's Folk). These Dwarves were NOT all destroyed as a result of the War of Wrath. The surviving Dwarves of Nogrod and Belegost migrated to Moria early in the Second Age. Many of their descendants likely returned to the Blue Mountains after the Balrog of Moria was awakened. I suspect that Thorin's companions Bifur, Bofur and Bombur were descended from the Dwarves of Belegost.

The other Dwarf-clans were the Ironfists and Stiffbeards (possibly from the eastern Iron Mountains and the northern Orocarni) and the Blacklocks and Stonefoots (possibly from the southern Orocarni). The common-tongue names and places of origin for these dwarven clans (if I remember correctly) are derived from the HOME volume The Peoples of Middle-earth.
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Re: Dwarven Armies?

Post by Tolwen » Fri May 08, 2015 5:54 pm

mirkwoodfalcon wrote:Thanks Tolwen for your insight. I find it very interesting to consider that the dwarves mantain relations (or at least communicate with, in this instance) the dwarves of the far east and I can't help but wonder what the extent of their political ties is.
If you're interested for ideas on the seven dwarven houses, Issues 4 and 5 of Other Minds may be of interest for you.
If you have any questions on these, feel free to ask :)

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