Otaku-sempai wrote:Arthadan wrote:It's just a single case, he could be "Maiar blooded" just like Aragorn. And of course Aragorn does not represent the normal lifespam of Men in Middle-earth.
In fact the odds are greater as there were more than one evil Maiar in Orc form and only one Man having Maiar/Elven offspring, and it makes quite sense the Orc-king of the greatest Orc stronghold in Northwestern Middle-earth to be so (if you admit the possibility of at least one Maiar-blooded Orc in late Third Age, that is).
The long lifespan of the Númenóreans owes more to the gift of long-life granted to Elros than to any descent from Thingol and Melian via Lúthien Tinúviel.
Tolkien's writings suggest the existence of a breed of Orc called
Boldog, that were originally evil spirits or corrupted Ainur in Orc-form. However, did he ever officially include this concept in the legendarium? As far as I know, the term only appears (and only in post-mortem references) as an Orc-name or title.
I was refering to the quote posted by Otaku-sempai. We don't know if they were meant to make it if the definitiveversion as Tolkien passed away before publishing the Silmarillion, so I said
if you admit the possibility of at least one Maiar-blooded Orc in late Third Age because it's opened to interpretation.
It's a grey area but from a gaming perspective it's fun to have some Orc variety and allows to have the odd Orc "shaman" or ubber warrior King, and they do not contradict any other Tolkien writting, so I count them on as very rare exceptions on the highest positions of power.
Regarding Númenórean lifespam you say:
The long lifespan of the Númenóreans owes more to the gift of long-life granted to Elros than to any descent from Thingol and Melian via Lúthien Tinúviel.
That's open to discussion. The vast mayority of the Númenóreans were not of the line of Elros, only the kings were. The Valar blessing increased lifespam of common folk and kings as well, but the greatest was of the line kings due to their heritage.
This was the beginning of that people that in the Grey-elven speech are called the Dúnedain: the Númenóreans,
Kings among Men. But they did not thus escape from the doom of death that Ilúvatar had set upon all Mankind, and
they were mortal still, though their years were long, and they knew no sickness, ere the shadow fell upon them.
The Valar indeed may not withdraw the gift of death, which comes to Men from Ilúvatar, but in the matter of the Half-elven Ilúvatar gave to them the judgement; and they judged that to the sons of Eärendil should be given choice of their own destiny. And Elrond chose to remain with the Firstborn, and to him the life of the Firstborn was granted. But to Elros, who chose to be a king of Men, still a great span of years was allotted, many times that of the Men of Middle-earth; and all his line, the kings and lords of the royal house, had long life even according to the measure of the Númenóreans. But Elros lived five hundred years, and ruled the Númenóreans four hundred years and ten.
So Elros long life came from his choice to be counted among the mortals, granted by the Valar because he was the son of Eärendil and Elwing (and the great deed his father accomplished). Otherwise, Elros and Elrond would have been just Elven-blooded men, like the lords of Dol Amroth .
And that's exactly my point regarding Maiar-blooded Orcs, something closer to the lords of Dol Amroth. Not true Half-Maiar as Lúthien was, but Maiar-blooded.
I have a tricky question for you.We know werewolves are "demonic wolves" possesed by spirits (let's keep aside if those spirits were lesser evil Maiar or something else). And we know in the Old Days there were werewolves but no wargs and in late Third Age there were wargs and only some lasting werewolves (which were more powerful than wargs). this is Gandalf speaking about the Nazgûl horses:
Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor. Not all his servants and chattels are wraiths! There are orcs and trolls, there are wargs and werewolves; and there have been and still are many Men, warriors and kings, that walk alive under the Sun, and yet are under his sway.
So, could this be a case of werewolves mating with common wolves creating the race of wargs? I think that's a very likely explanation and the different between a common wolf and a warg would be the difference between a common Orc and a Maiar-blooded one. Namely bigger, stronger, more cunning and evil and, if you want to spice things up, tapping into the Dark Arts.
