Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Otaku-sempai » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:59 pm

Arthadan wrote:Well, if there are Dwarves in the Blue Mountains, there must to be mines. Mines profitable enough to allow them to survive. So you have essentially the same craftsmen carving wood and working steel (I think Dwarves from the Blue Mountains sold axes in The Shire). Plus The High Pass was only open for some years after the Battle of the Five Armies.

I can picture some Dwarves travellng long distances to meet relatives, but I don't think commerce would be significant. The Blue Montains Dwarves would have already enough "customers" for they goods to survive and Erebor would have whole new "markets" to sell their goods in Rhovanion. So I think neither of them would need to make very long (and potentially dangerous) commercial trips.
You make some good points. I am assuming that there is also some traffic on the old North/South Road through Eriador and that the Greyflood is fordable with reasonable safety, at least when the river is low. I briefly toyed with the idea of some enterprising person establishing a cable-ferry at the crossing at Tharbad, but I doubted that there would be enough business to support such an endeavor (assuming he wasn't robbed by bandits). As you say, the passes through the Misty Mountains remained hazardous at all times except during the Good Years when the number of Orcs in the range was at its lowest point.

Of course Dáin might also have political reasons for maintaining a western embassy. He might, for example, want to strengthen the alliances between the dwarven kingdoms, especially in light of the darkening of Mirkwood. He might also send envoys to the eastern Dwarves to maintain good relations. An Embassy would be as much about status as anything else, reconfirming Erebor as the greatest dwarven realm of the later Third Age.
About Dís returning to the Blue Mountain, Tolkien wrote Dwarven women only travel in times of great need, plus they doesn't seem to have a quite active role on dwarven society. Of course Dís could have been an exception, or you can assume the nformation we have is the "outsiders" view and the real Dwarven society allows a more relevant role for women.
You might be able to tell that I am writing Dís as a remarkable lady and as an exception to the traditional practices of and toward dwarven women. She has lived a very unconventional life: Uprooted from her home at the tender age of ten while witnessing the deaths of young friends and their families; being raised in foreign lands among strange peoples; watching literally all of the fit men of her own folk, including a brother, march off to war after the murder of her grandfather, few to return; more travel followed by adjusting to a new home as a young woman in her forty-second year; wedding and bearing two sons, only to have them go off with their uncle, her elder brother, to reclaim Erebor only to perish with him over a thousand miles from where they were born.

I don't see Mistress Dís as a person who is married to convention or who gives a fig at her age of what anyone thinks of her or her actions. She is going to do what she thinks is best for herself or her kinsmen and damned to anyone who stands in her way. At the same time, I can see how Dís might be unhappy in Erebor. The Mountain is no longer her home and hasn't been since she was a small girl. It would be full of painful memories for her and once she had time to properly mourn her fallen sons and brother, Dís might long to return to a place that really is more of a home to her. That, naturally would be the Halls of Thorin in the Blue Mountains.
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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Sammael99 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:41 am

Majestic wrote:Welcome to the forums, Sammael99! :)
Thanks Majestic!

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On the last few remarks, C7 certainly don't seem to have qualms to include both Dwarven merchant caravans in Eastern Eriador and wandering female dwarves as both are part of the hook for Harder than Stone in RotN.

I for one would think that a strong female dwarven character could be a really cool NPC to play around with.

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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Otaku-sempai » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:21 am

Sammael99 wrote:
Majestic wrote:Welcome to the forums, Sammael99! :)
Thanks Majestic!

I for one would think that a strong female dwarven character could be a really cool NPC to play around with.
Feel free to use or adapt these write-ups below if they appeal to you. If you check the House Rules forum, I have also created a dwarven city for the southern Ered Luin, Hargrod, which is ruled by Draupnir Forkbeard, a Dwarf of the Blue Mountains who is in part descended from the folk of Nogrod and does not like or trust High Elves, the Noldor in particular.

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Dís daughter of Thráin
Dís is the only daughter of Thráin II. She is the sister of the late Thorin Oakenshield and mother to the brothers Fili and Kili who perished defending their uncle in the Battle of Five Armies. Lady Dís joined the rest of her folk in returning to Lonely Mountain after it was reclaimed from the dragon Smaug. However, after a period of mourning for her sons and brother Thorin, she found that she could not remain there; the memories associated with Erebor were far too painful for her. Dís was only ten years old when Smaug claimed the Mountain. Many of her friends and their families were killed by the dragon and devoured. Her younger brother was slain years later by Orcs in the Battle of Azanulbizar. Most of her happy memories were of the Blue Mountains, where she grew to womanhood in the Halls of Thorin, met her husband-to-be, wed and bore two strong sons.

In T.A. 2944 Dís returned to the Blue Mountains and became the Lady of the Halls of Thorin. She acts as the Mistress of the Halls, ensuring that they are well maintained and that chambers are kept ready for envoys from Erebor, the Iron Hills and the other Dwarf-kingdoms and for special guests. She is educated and wise, and can also be stubborn and opinionated. She is also far too old to be bothered with customs she considers to be outdated nonsense. While Lady Dís carries an air of grace and dignity, she also defies the dwarven convention of 'dressing down' in the manner of a male for outsiders and when in public. Dís is typically garbed in hooded, white dwarven mourning robes, elegant and tasteful. While many conservative Dwarves are scandalized by this, she has accumulated a following among the younger set, especially with Dwarf-women who are themselves widowed or have determined never to marry.

Attribute Level: 8
Specialities: Rhymes of Lore, Leechcraft, Trading
Distinctive Features: Bold, Lordly, Robust
Relevant Skills: Courtesy ****, Insight *****, Lore ****

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Halls of Thorin
The Halls of Thorin was the dwelling place of Thorin Oakenshield his kin in the Blue Mountains. Thráin II established the Halls in the Northern Blue Mountains, approximately seventy-five miles from the Grey Havens, in T.A. 2802 after he and his people left the land of Dunland following the War of the Dwarves and Orcs. It became known as the Halls of Thorin after Thráin's disappearance in 2845 when he was captured by Sauron and taken to Dol Guldur. Thorin ruled Durin's Folk in the absence of his father and strove to improve their fortunes. In 2941 he and twelve companions, accompanied by the wizard Gandalf the Grey and a Hobbit named Bilbo Baggins, embarked in the Quest of Erebor, resulting in the retaking of Erebor and the tragic deaths of Thorin and his nephews Fili and Kili in the Battle of Five Armies.

Learning of the demise of the dragon Smaug, Durin's Folk left the Blue Mountains to return to Erebor. The Halls of Thorin were turned into an embassy for Durin's Folk, eventually to be managed by Lady Dís, sister to Thorin Oakenshield. returned from the Lonely Mountain.
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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Sammael99 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:08 am

Otaku-sempai wrote:Feel free to use or adapt these write-ups below if they appeal to you. If you check the House Rules forum, I have also created a dwarven city for the southern Ered Luin, Hargrod, which is ruled by Draupnir Forkbeard, a Dwarf of the Blue Mountains who is in part descended from the folk of Nogrod and does not like or trust High Elves, the Noldor in particular.
Where is this forum of which you speak ?

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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Valarian » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:27 am

Sammael99 wrote:
Otaku-sempai wrote:Feel free to use or adapt these write-ups below if they appeal to you. If you check the House Rules forum, I have also created a dwarven city for the southern Ered Luin, Hargrod, which is ruled by Draupnir Forkbeard, a Dwarf of the Blue Mountains who is in part descended from the folk of Nogrod and does not like or trust High Elves, the Noldor in particular.
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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Sammael99 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:09 am

Valarian wrote:
Sammael99 wrote:
Otaku-sempai wrote:Feel free to use or adapt these write-ups below if they appeal to you. If you check the House Rules forum, I have also created a dwarven city for the southern Ered Luin, Hargrod, which is ruled by Draupnir Forkbeard, a Dwarf of the Blue Mountains who is in part descended from the folk of Nogrod and does not like or trust High Elves, the Noldor in particular.
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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Otaku-sempai » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:07 pm

Sammael99 wrote:
Otaku-sempai wrote:Feel free to use or adapt these write-ups below if they appeal to you. If you check the House Rules forum, I have also created a dwarven city for the southern Ered Luin, Hargrod, which is ruled by Draupnir Forkbeard, a Dwarf of the Blue Mountains who is in part descended from the folk of Nogrod and does not like or trust High Elves, the Noldor in particular.
Where is this forum of which you speak ?
At the top of the One Ring General Discussion page. Here is a link to my write-up for the Southern Blue Mountains: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=4501.

Also included is a new Fellowship Phase Undertaking for the Tower Hills (for High Elves only).
"Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he."

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Re: Thorin's Halls as an Embassy of Erebor

Post by Majestic » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:17 pm

I'm pretty sure that the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains have been relegated to making
Tale of Years for a second, lower-level group (in the same campaign).

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