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[Otaku-sempai]

Stand alone or not, I am buying it. Let me throw my release prediction into the ring. Limited quantities at GenCon and pre-orders for the first full wave open at the same time.

Well, if C7 is simply waiting to see if there will be sufficient quantities available in time for a Summer release before starting to take pre-orders, I could understand that. On the other hand, I can wait a bit longer if need be for a quality product.

[Cawdorthane]

I am with Rich and Glorendil on what is likely and makes the most economic sense for C7, but this circular dialogue calls to mind one of my favourite quotes from the first series of Black Adder, back when I was still skinny and had dark hair:

Percy: You know, they do say that the Infanta's eyes are more beautiful than the famous Stone of Galveston.
Edmund: Mm! ... What?
Percy: The famous Stone of Galveston, My Lord.
Edmund: And what's that, exactly?
Percy: Well, it's a famous blue stone, and it comes ... from Galveston.
Edmund: I see. And what about it?
Percy: Well, My Lord, the Infanta's eyes are bluer than it, for a start.
Edmund: I see. And have you ever seen this stone?
Percy: (nods) No, not as such, My Lord, but I know a couple of people who have, and they say it's very very blue indeed.
Edmund: And have these people seen the Infanta's eyes?
Percy: No, I shouldn't think so, My Lord.
Edmund: And neither have you, presumably.
Percy: No, My Lord.
Edmund: So, what you're telling me, Percy, is that something you have never seen is slightly less blue than something else you have never seen.
Percy: (finally begins to grasp) Yes, My Lord.

We know that C7 will do the best job they can do, when they can do it, no more and no less....

cheers
Mark

[aramis]

Right, you are saying that if you aren't a 5E player your are not the target audience...even if you are a ME fan, like myself. Which is kind of myopic if you ask me

So who do you think the target audience should be? "ME fans who do play roleplaying games but don't play either 5e or TOR?"

I'm imagining pitching that story to the finance committee, with a power point slide showing a market segmentation chart. "Yes....that little sliver...no, that's a mark somebody accidentally made on the projection screen with an Expo marker...it's the little sliver between the 'gamers with hot girlfriends' market segment and the 'teenage boys who don't like Legolas or Drizz't' market segment. Maybe move closer? Ok, you got it. Yes, that's the market we're going after."

LOL! Nice job.

Stand alone or not, I am buying it. Let me throw my release prediction into the ring. Limited quantities at GenCon and pre-orders for the first full wave open at the same time.

It'd be on the boat by now for Gen Con...

[Hermes Serpent]

Companies going to Gencon often air freight in a limited supply of new books if they haven't had enough lead time for shipping. IIRC C7 have done that in the past.

[Adhemar]

Percy: You know, they do say that the Infanta's eyes are more beautiful than the famous Stone of Galveston.
Edmund: Mm! ... What?
Percy: The famous Stone of Galveston, My Lord.
Edmund: And what's that, exactly?
Percy: Well, it's a famous blue stone, and it comes ... from Galveston.
Edmund: I see. And what about it?
Percy: Well, My Lord, the Infanta's eyes are bluer than it, for a start.
Edmund: I see. And have you ever seen this stone?
Percy: (nods) No, not as such, My Lord, but I know a couple of people who have, and they say it's very very blue indeed.
Edmund: And have these people seen the Infanta's eyes?
Percy: No, I shouldn't think so, My Lord.
Edmund: And neither have you, presumably.
Percy: No, My Lord.
Edmund: So, what you're telling me, Percy, is that something you have never seen is slightly less blue than something else you have never seen.
Percy: (finally begins to grasp) Yes, My Lord.

Not really adding to the conversation, but I love this quote.

We know that C7 will do the best job they can do, when they can do it, no more and no less....

I whole heartily agree with this statement.

[Glorelendil]

Great post, Cawdorthane.

You're right, I'm just making up "predictions" out of thin air, with no data. I just don't understand the value of predicting doom & gloom and casting aspersions (even if only through inference) on the people of C7.

Of COURSE I want it sooner rather than later. But making bitter and accusatory posts on the Internet seems pretty pointless and unhealthy. It's not like anybody at C7 is going to say "Oooh...Glorelendil is really pissed. We should stop playing Call of Duty and click the 'Publish' button that's been blinking at us for 3 weeks."

So, anyway, I'll cheerfully keep expecting something awesome any day now, and if I'm wrong and if C7 misses their projection then instead of calling them liars I'll post a thank-you: "Dear Dom & Co., thank you for taking the time to make it perfect instead of rushing it out the door just to meet some deadline."

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Some time in the past few months, I think in this thread, Jon commented that this is not a licensed product and is being made using the open content, so there would be a fair amount in the PHB not a part of that. That would say to me that any 5th Ed content they use would have to be reprinted in the new book.

Also, on a possible delay, I think this was originally announced before the official 5th Ed SRD was released to the public and rules for making 5th Ed compatible products were finalized. The release of the SRD added more to what was previously available to use, so C7 could be rewriting and expanding this product to include that material.

[Glorelendil]

Some time in the past few months, I think in this thread, Jon commented that this is not a licensed product and is being made using the open content, so there would be a fair amount in the PHB not a part of that. That would say to me that any 5th Ed content they use would have to be reprinted in the new book.

I'm not following that argument. What's the problem with just saying "Use the PHB"? Why would they have to reprint the parts they're allowed to use, because they're not allowed to reprint the other parts? And even if they wanted to, couldn't they just provide the link to the SRD?

[Blustar]

Some time in the past few months, I think in this thread, Jon commented that this is not a licensed product and is being made using the open content, so there would be a fair amount in the PHB not a part of that. That would say to me that any 5th Ed content they use would have to be reprinted in the new book.

Also, on a possible delay, I think this was originally announced before the official 5th Ed SRD was released to the public and rules for making 5th Ed compatible products were finalized. The release of the SRD added more to what was previously available to use, so C7 could be rewriting and expanding this product to include that material.

What would a licensed product allow Cubicle 7 to do instead of just using the 5ed SRD? Would this gimp the book in any way?

[Glorelendil]

Some time in the past few months, I think in this thread, Jon commented that this is not a licensed product and is being made using the open content, so there would be a fair amount in the PHB not a part of that. That would say to me that any 5th Ed content they use would have to be reprinted in the new book.

Also, on a possible delay, I think this was originally announced before the official 5th Ed SRD was released to the public and rules for making 5th Ed compatible products were finalized. The release of the SRD added more to what was previously available to use, so C7 could be rewriting and expanding this product to include that material.

What would a licensed product allow Cubicle 7 to do instead of just using the 5ed SRD? Would this gimp the book in any way?

As far as I'm aware, it would allow them to use some additional classes/subclasses, backgrounds, and feats. (And maybe some spells?) I don't believe there's any rules difference, just character options.