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Hunter of the East
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:05 pm
by Kazibar
Out of curiosity, has anyone else wondered whether the "hunter of the east" described in ruins of the north is one of the Blue Wizards. Maia of Orome. Maybe fell to Sauron...vanished in east.... Just a thought
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:15 pm
by Otaku-sempai
No; given her description, I see no direct connection between Feredrûn and the Blue Wizards. Her backstory clearly sets her apart from the Istari. She came (back) to Middle-earth at Sauron's invitation, not on a mission to oppose him. Besides, Tolkien wrote that the Istari were all sent to Middle-earth in the physical forms of old men.
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:10 pm
by Kazibar
Okay... So she was one of the hosts of Orome, a Maia. There are very very few stories of Maia in Middle Earth. Sauron and Thuringwethil, Melian, the Istari. Very very few. Later in his writing Tolkein said he blue wizards arrived in ME earlier than the other Istari. Both were Maia of Orome. hunters. Both were sent East. I accept they were all given the forms of old men. Men in this though could be as opposed to elves etc. He also sai the blue wizards failed in their mission, people have speculated that they fell to Sauron. i just don't buy it as written.
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:36 pm
by Otaku-sempai
The Istari, as you must know, were Maiar themselves--given physical bodies that limited their powers and fogged their memories of the Undying Lands. Tolkien wrote variously of the Blue Wizards that they might have failed in their missions or they might have succeeded in modest ways (or even perhaps a little of both). One or both might have fallen under Sauron's dominion or might have been corrupted by their own, mortal desires or limitations. He never came out with a final, definitive word on the subject.
And there were other Maiar (or possible Maiar) that you've forgotten, such as the Balrogs and the spirits that were given wolf-form as the first Werewolves. Goldberry might have been a Maia; although I think that Bombadil was something else: not a Vala, but almost as powerful in his way.
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:14 pm
by Terisonen
Some creature in Tolkien don't have a well round definition: all we know from Ungoliant is that she came from the Void. Same for Bombadil: all that we know is that he was the First to came, and will be the last to leave.
So you have some free will to decide what's it came from.
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:31 pm
by Glorelendil
Terisonen wrote:Same for Bombadil: all that we know is that he was the First to came, and will be the last to leave.
I hope he remembers to turn the lights out and lock the door.
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:48 am
by Finrod Felagund
Totally agree that Feredrun isn't a blue wizard - she has a tragic and sad history all of her own. No need to mix her up with anyone else.
I also think that Bombadil is a Maia, albeit an extremely powerful one like Osse.
Re: Hunter of the East
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:58 pm
by Terisonen
Glorelendil wrote:Terisonen wrote:Same for Bombadil: all that we know is that he was the First to came, and will be the last to leave.
I hope he remembers to turn the lights out and lock the door.
Was he a Boeing employee?