I mean... I concede the point about where Thorin was born, thats true, but the second paragraph of what you said is pretty much what I tried to say, so I dont think there's an issue with the reasoning? I likely expressed my point poorly, though. So yeah, then if a player Grey Mountain Dwarf says 'I am settling in Erebor' he is, after some time, a dwarf of Erebor, apart from the fact that their Rewards and Virtues likely stay the same, as its part of their roots. The standard of living would go up, since he no longer is 'travelling the road with no chance to accumulate wealth', but thats a whole other Undertaking.Otaku-sempai wrote:There is a problem with your chain of reasoning: Durin's Folk in the Blue Mountains left Erebor much more recently than many of the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains (TA 2770 versus 2210). Balin and Thorin were both born in Erebor. All of Thorin's other companions among the Dwarves were presumably born in Dunland (Dwalin, Óin and Glóin) or, after the year 2802, the Blue Mountains (Fili and Kili for certain). Fili and Kili would have belonged to the Culture of the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains, as would most of the others until after they came to reside in Erebor.
You are certainly correct that in 2946 the Dwarves of Erebor is a very young Culture made up primarily of former Dwarves of the Blue Mountains and Iron Hills. It wouldn't be until at least 2992 that any Dwarves born there since Dáin became King under the Mountain would even reach the nominal age of adulthood (50 years). Any Dwarf of the Grey Mountains who came to permanently reside in Lonely Mountain would be considered to belong to the Culture of Erebor, no longer one of the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains. At least that is how I interpret it.
I would allow them to do all of those. If the Grey Mountains Standing only affected Grey Mountains, it would mean 'Grey Mountains Dwarves are not allowed to have their own Standing', as they dont have anything. More than likely, due to them all being of same origin (hence their rewards and Virtues being only slightly different), it's just 'Standing: Durin's Folk' for all three of them. Grey Mountains have no King or hold, or structure. Erebor's king is father to the lord of the Iron Hills, Thorin Stonehelm, so I think it makes sense.Falenthal wrote:Would you allow a Grey Mountains Dwarf to take part in the Year's End events that happen in Erebor, considering their Standing rating? Or is that Standing only usable for events related to Grey Mountains Dwarves? In that case, Erebor is not their "Home".
Should a Grey Mountain then receive the Title for being a Lonely Mountain Dwarf, or is he considered one?
This are other kind of questions that can answer how you want to relate the Grey Mountain Dwarves to Erebor.
As far as the 'homeless' thing, I agree with DavetheLost: If they were intended to be mechanically homeless, instead of narratively, it would have been specifically listed. Not even the Dunedain are listed as such, they just have 'secret villages'. And Dunledings...