Eye Awareness for Sindar?

[farinal]

Noldor has 3 and Silvan Elves have 1 Eye Awareness on the table but there are no Sindar Elves on it. Would you call it a 2 for them?

[Otaku-sempai]

An Eye Awareness of 2? Sure, though TOR so far does not distinguish between Sindar and Silvan Elves except in backgrounds. That could change if we get a Heroic Culture for the Elves of the Grey Havens/Lindon. Any of the Eldar who have dwelt on the shores of Aman should probably have an Eye Awareness of 3. The Vanyar might even score a 4.

[Falenthal]

Lórien elves are still Silvan elves, therefore the Eye Awareness should also be of 1.
In TOR, I'd say that Silvans are those elves that, in the Third Age, live in the woods and haven't lived in Beleriand or even the Second Age (Eregion and the Last Alliance).
Thranduil would be a High Elf, IMO, for example, while one could have a Silvan elf character hailing from Rivendell or the Grey Havens.

[Otaku-sempai]

Well, before the Three Kindreds set off on the Great Journey all Elves were Eldar, but the term didn't have any other special significance. Afterward, Eldar came to refer to only the Three Kindreds: the Vanyar, Noldor and Teleri. The term High Elves can either refer to all the Elves of the Three Kindreds or can mean only those Elves who have reached the shores of Aman (or at least Tol Eressëa), so such debates as this can get a little tricky.

The Avari (the Elves who never answered the call of the Valar) are all Silvan Elves (Wood-elves). However, the Silvan Elves also seem to include the Teleri who never advanced farther west than the Misty Mountains. Those of the Nandor who remained east of the mountains are counted as Silvan Elves. Those who entered Beleriand (the Laiquendi) seem to have been incorporated into the ranks of the Sindar.

As Sindar, Thranduil and Legolas would be counted as Eldar and are arguably High Elves. Galadriel is Noldo and therefore a High Elf. (Celeborn (adhering strictly to the original lore and not Tolkien's proposed revisions) is Sindar and perhaps also a High Elf. He, Thranduil and Legolas are at least counted as Eldar.

Based on the above, I do believe that the Sindar should possess an Eye Awareness of at least 2, if not 3. Any other Teleri within the Woodland Realm or Lórien should be counted as Wood-elves, with an Eye Awareness of 1. However, I'm not sure that the mechanics of TOR are written in a way that supports these distinctions.

Now, should all the Elves of Lindon and the Grey Havens be counted as High Elves with an Eye Awareness of 3?

[Falenthal]

However, I'm not sure that the mechanics of TOR are written in a way that supports these distinctions.

Now, should all the Elves of Lindon and the Grey Havens be counted as High Elves with an Eye Awareness of 3?

I don't think TOR is trying to keep a very strict difference between Noldo, Sinda, Silvan, Nandor, Avari, Whatever elves: they are simply considered Powerful Elves From Ages Past And Noble Heritage (High Elves) or Normal Elves From The Third Age Dimished In Power (Silvan Elves).

Therefore, I'd say that the Eye Awareness for an elf should either be 3 or 1: Sauron fears your kind because you were there during his defeat at the end of the Second Age, or he doesn't if you were born once the elves began to diminish in power and interest in the world.

Also, for balance reasons, the Lórien elves aren't more powerful than Mirkwood elves. So, there's no reason why they should have the hindrance of a higher Eye Awareness.

Regarding the Elves of the Gray Havens playable culture, I'd make them High Elves with they're own Virtues and Rewards, even if just for variety reasons.

[Otaku-sempai]

Regarding the Elves of the Gray Havens playable culture, I'd make them High Elves with they're own Virtues and Rewards, even if just for variety reasons.

I'm not sure that we are going to see the High Elves of the Grey Havens as an Heroic Culture, but it's possible if we ever get that supplement that would cover Western Eriador and Lindon. We still don't have any substantial information on those Dwarf-settlements in the Blue Mountains from Journeys & Maps. I would imagine that the Havens would be written up in the same book.

[Falenthal]

Yes, and also a sea-faring variant of the Shire Hobbits, those that Gandalf "sent to the Blue"!

[farinal]

Lórien elves are still Silvan elves, therefore the Eye Awareness should also be of 1.
In TOR, I'd say that Silvans are those elves that, in the Third Age, live in the woods and haven't lived in Beleriand or even the Second Age (Eregion and the Last Alliance).
Thranduil would be a High Elf, IMO, for example, while one could have a Silvan elf character hailing from Rivendell or the Grey Havens.

I was thinking of an Elf of Mirkwood with the background of Noble Blood which makes him a Sindar whose line came from Beleriand to the Mirkwood like Thranduil's family.

[mica]

The mechanics already allow for additional modifiers (characters hunted etc). Any news about Rangers is important as are the comings and goings of all noldor, hence their modifications. Sylvan elfs frolicking in their woods is of no more interest than wandering human merchants hence their default of 1. Hobbits, wtf are hobbits?

As such I would simply ask the question, 'is this person/group of greater interest to dark forces than a typical sylvan? As significant as a typical noldor elf?' If yes to both, then 3, if yes to the first then 2, if no to both then 1.

Further, if your campaign extends to the time Sauron finally learns of the Shire and Hobbits, I would argue that a Hobbit is worth 4 before any other modifiers. Any hobbit in the wilds around the time of search for the ring is bound to be pursued by dark forces whether they know the reasons or not.