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Glorelendil wrote:I know how much you have invested in western Eriador, O-S. I do hope you are pleased with the result.

I hope so too. I think part of my fascination with the regions of Western Eriador and LIndon is that they are both so familiar and yet there is so much that Tolkien never revealed about them. Heck, we don't even know if the Elves call the river that runs through Forlindon the Gelion or if they use another name. Even the Little Lune, east of the Blue Mountains, isn't officially named. Nor do we know the precise location of the Halls of Thorin Oakenshield. Might the bay located near the Isle of Himling be known as the Bay of Thargelion?

Now I am thinking that the Grey Havens might be covered in a separate booklet, as was Lake-town. A Grey Havens sourcebook would give the (High?) Elves of the Grey Havens as an Heroic Culture. It might cover the regions of the Grey Havens, Tower Hills, Forlindon, Harlindon, and maybe even the Shire if that is not included in Bree. Notable persons would include Círdan (available as a patron) and Galdor; among notable places might be the White Towers, Mithlond, and the harbors of Harlond and Forlond.

I agree that the Grey Havens will probably be covered in another supplement. For one thing, it would have a very different tone than Bree. It would be mixing the ultra magical most otherworldly Noldor culture with what appears to be the most mundane Common Man culture. To do justice to one would probably negatively impact the feel and theme of the other.

Plus, from a marketing standpoint two different supplements means two different products to sell.

I suspect that what we will get in supplements down the road depends on just what takes up a lot of time/pages in the books. Party because that is what we need to get the proper Middle Earth feel, but mostly because that's the area that give the designers the most to work with.

Yes, I just don't see another hardcover sourcebook of 112 pages or more covering the Grey Havens following Bree. There's a better chance of a smaller, softcover booklet. However, a follow-up adventure supplement could cover the entire region from Bree to the Havens and the Blue Mountains.

I dunno. I could see them covering the Grey Havens in much the same way they did Rivendell. Theres a lot of stuff in the Silmarillion that could help to flesh out the area. They could also put any rules they want to introduce to cover ships and sailing (and perhaps trade, although I'd think they'd have better places for that).

But if they did that I would suspect the book wouldn't appear for at least another 6 months. Plus I expect that they will probably gives us some sort of Gondor sourcebook before the Gray Havens.

atgxtg wrote:Theres a lot of stuff in the Silmarillion that could help to flesh out the area.

The license only covers material in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.

atgxtg wrote:They could also put any rules they want to introduce to cover ships and sailing

Journeys and Maps really covers that.

atgxtg wrote:I dunno. I could see them covering the Grey Havens in much the same way they did Rivendell. Theres a lot of stuff in the Silmarillion that could help to flesh out the area. They could also put any rules they want to introduce to cover ships and sailing (and perhaps trade, although I'd think they'd have better places for that).

As Rich points out, the design team does not have access to material outside of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, so the Silmarillion is not available to use. And I second his comment about Journeys & Maps.

I forgot all about Journeys & Maps It's even got Grey Ships! Just call me Butterbur.

It's too bad that they can't use sources outside of The Hobbit and LOTR. That probably is going to make it a lot more difficult to cover the Grey Havens. There isn't much in the Hobbit or LOTR about them. A passing comment or two in both narratives and a bit more in the LOTR Appendices. In fact those Appendices are probably incredibly useful then, since they are the only things available to C7 beyond the two narratives.

I'm not sure that Mithlond would be any more difficult to detail than the city of Dale. I have made some suggestions of what could be done for Lindon here.

I did my own, home-brewed version of the lands of Lindon and the Grey Havens here, in the House Rules forum. It includes suggested stats for Círdan, Lord of the Grey Havens, and other notable characters; several notable places are written up and there are some new Fellowship Phase Undertakings.

Hummm... as I have stated in a previous post just a moment ago, I would bet for a Western Eriador (the Shire + the Grey Havens + the Blue Mountains + even Forochel, perhaps) supplement aditional to the Bree supplement, according to the announced Bree book content...

So there will be also adventures in this book?