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Thanks Jon for your intervention. Let's be patient

Beran wrote:Ah, #@*^! Even though I do not read a lot of the novels, I've always liked the idea of Exp Uni.

I'm reserving judgement. It was obvious that at least some EU stuff was going to have to go to make way for Episodes 7, 8 and 9 anyway. It's going to sting, but in the long run it may be a good thing because it's going to make for more stability. I loved a lot of the Clone Wars materials that was removed from canon when Lucas decided to do the CGI cartoon. In theory, once the initial cut has happened, that won't happen again.

Beran wrote:
" I do think it's pretty silly, though, to compare C7 and TOR to other companies and games. Even Star Wars and FFG's Edge of the Empire don't come close when you put the comparison under close scrutiny..."

Your opinion.

Agreed completely, but I'm not sure how that's different from most of the stuff posted in this thread or, in fact, these forums.

Should I interpret your remark, then, as an expression of a differing opinion? I have explained why I think the comparison is flawed: the legal complexities of satisfying two separate -- and often antagonistic -- parties, one of whom has no interest whatsoever in seeing TOR succeed (and, less charitably, may in fact be pleased if it were to fail), makes the Tolkien license more challenging by an order of magnitude.

Is your problem with:
1) My assessment of the TOR license (i.e. I overstate the difficulties of the license);
2) My assessment of the SW license (i.e. I understate the difficulties of the SW license);
3) Something else;
or 4) A combination of these factors?

I guess I must have misunderstood the wording of the statement. To me what you were saying is that it is silly to compare the quality of work done on the supplements and other game products. I didn't get that you were talking license arrangements from what was written at all.

Beran wrote:I guess I must have misunderstood the wording of the statement. To me what you were saying is that it is silly to compare the quality of work done on the supplements and other game products. I didn't get that you were talking license arrangements from what was written at all.

My apologies then for not articulating myself better!

At the risk of repeating what others have said, I will gladly accept the pace of releases for TOR if the quality continues.
I am the manager of a *very* successful hobby gaming store and we do quite a bit with RPGs. And let me tell you something.. Star Wars, L5R, and most any other non-Pathfinder line you can think of.. yeah, each new release sees sizable sales upon first release, but One Ring books tend to see a much longer sales "tail" than any of those. Which is to say, those big boys may sell more units when they first come out, but each One Ring release sees more restocks, and a more consistent sales trend as the product ages than any of the others.

PaulButler wrote:Which is to say, those big boys may sell more units when they first come out, but each One Ring release sees more restocks, and a more consistent sales trend as the product ages than any of the others.

Glad to hear it. Though it seems not to be reflected in my region.

PaulButler wrote:At the risk of repeating what others have said, I will gladly accept the pace of releases for TOR if the quality continues.

I'm exactly the same Paul, but I can completely understand others that want more... I'd be the same if I didn't have so many demands on my time. For me, the slower release schedule is a real bonus as I can take my time, consider and plan around the content of the material produced, prep for my gaming group, etc. All this, without having to keep up with a more hectic release schedule for fear that I'd miss things! Also, my experience with TOR so far is that I want to use everything within the books but will struggle to fit it all in. Games with a (shall we say) more accelerated release schedule are not the same - I read through those books and not everything appeals, sometimes useable content can be as little as 10 or 20%, so they don't provide value but I still want to purchase them as that 10% may be useful. This is why I've walked away from such product lines in the past as the release schedule may be more aggressive but the content is often lacking.

I have to admit that I'm rather glad that there aren't too many TOR books at the moment. Unlike many games, the books all look like I'd get a lot of use from them. I'm actually having trouble trying to figure out which order to buy them in, as I'm going to be starting my campaign in a couple of weeks and I can only afford to get one or two books before then.

*Goes back to twiddling her thumbs while waiting for the postie to show up with her chippy of TOR.*

I don't want to say much, except that the TOR books have the best value/money/content of every rp game i have ever played (20 years or so of gaming). I consider this quite a feat and I want to express that i value the quality way over the quantity of any gaming material.