Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Stormcrow » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:24 pm

Falenthal wrote:Everyone can hold the opinion he wants for his campaign
No he can't. The Canon Police will come and arrest him if he tries.

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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Glorelendil » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:01 pm

Stormcrow wrote:
Falenthal wrote:Everyone can hold the opinion he wants for his campaign
No he can't. The Canon Police will come and arrest him if he tries.
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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Falenthal » Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:28 pm

Stormcrow wrote:
Falenthal wrote:Everyone can hold the opinion he wants for his campaign
No he can't. The Canon Police will come and arrest him if he tries.
Uuups!
I'm going to burn all of my house rules documents now, and delete my hard disks of self-made files... :o

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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Glorelendil » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:13 pm

Falenthal wrote:
Stormcrow wrote:
Falenthal wrote:Everyone can hold the opinion he wants for his campaign
No he can't. The Canon Police will come and arrest him if he tries.
Uuups!
I'm going to burn all of my house rules documents now, and delete my hard disks of self-made files... :o
House rules aren't breaking canon....
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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by zedturtle » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:35 am

Elfcrusher wrote:House rules aren't breaking canon....
However, if your house rules involve cannon....
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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by James Harrison » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:45 am

I mean it's even called Cannon as an implied treat. Don't go messing with it man.

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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Mythicos » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:58 pm

Stormcrow wrote:
Robin Smallburrow wrote:Sorry to be a naysayer here, but The Sorceress cannot steal one of the Nazgul's rings as they are all held by Sauron - I am fairly sure Gandalf mentions this at The Council of Elrond.
Actually, Gandalf says, "The Nine the Nazgûl keep." Furthermore, they needed their rings to maintain their immortality. Without them there would be nothing holding them in Arda, and only Ilúvatar can change the Gift of Death.
From Letter #246 of JRR Tolkien:
JRR Tolkien wrote: When Sauron was aware of the seizure of the Ring his one hope was in its power: that the claimant would be unable to relinquish it until Sauron had time to deal with him.

Sauron sent at once the Ringwraiths. They were naturally fully instructed, and in no way deceived as to the real lordship of the Ring. The wearer would not be invisible to them, but the reverse; and the more vulnerable to their weapons

Would they have been immune from its power if he [Frodo] claimed it as an instrument of command and domination? Not wholly. I do not think they could have attacked him with violence, nor laid hold upon him or taken him captive; they would have obeyed or feigned to obey any minor commands of his that did not interfere with their errand – laid upon them by Sauron, who still through their nine rings (which he held) had primary control of their wills. That errand was to remove Frodo from the Crack. Once he lost the power or opportunity to destroy the Ring, the end could not be in doubt – saving help from outside, which was hardly even remotely possible.
(emphasis mine)

I quote this not because I want to dismiss people's interpretation of canon (I myself change it when it suits my game), but I find that passage very interesting in how to use the Nazguls for DoM.

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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Rich H » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:54 pm

I quite like the idea of the Sorceress being misinformed about the Nazgul and their rings, thinking they are physically on their person rather than with Sauron. Perhaps she finds this out during a campaign and turns her attention to find and acquiring one of the missing dwarven rings instead.
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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Glorelendil » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:03 pm

Rich H wrote:I quite like the idea of the Sorceress being misinformed about the Nazgul and their rings, thinking they are physically on their person rather than with Sauron. Perhaps she finds this out during a campaign and turns her attention to find and acquiring one of the missing dwarven rings instead.
This is what I was alluding to earlier. I'm envisioning the scene where he elaborate plan comes to fruition, the Ringwraith is destroyed, and as the wraith dissolves into mist, she pounces on the shapeless black cloak to claim her prize....only to discover it's not there.
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Re: Using Heart of the Wild in your campaigns ?

Post by Rich H » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:10 pm

Elfcrusher wrote:
Rich H wrote:I quite like the idea of the Sorceress being misinformed about the Nazgul and their rings, thinking they are physically on their person rather than with Sauron. Perhaps she finds this out during a campaign and turns her attention to find and acquiring one of the missing dwarven rings instead.
This is what I was alluding to earlier. I'm envisioning the scene where he elaborate plan comes to fruition, the Ringwraith is destroyed, and as the wraith dissolves into mist, she pounces on the shapeless black cloak to claim her prize....only to discover it's not there.
Agreed. This kind of thing appeals to me a lot - ie, an enemy NPC antagonist working under false assumptions and then, if discovered, altering their objectives accordingly. In this case the PCs could be present, perhaps they've aided her in some way (destroying a ring wraith being motivation enough to help her - ie, the enemy of my enemy is my friend) and witness the revelation first hand.
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