Endurance of the Rangers & Strength of Will

[Ferretz]

Short question: in the descriptions of the Ranger Virtues "Endurance of the Rangers" and "Against the Unseen: Strength of Will", it says that the Ranger can have other characters who failed a test pass it if the Ranger rolls a Great or Extraordinary Success. But the wording is a bit strange, I think. It says that the Ranger's friends can pass it "instead".

Does this mean that a Ranger who rolls a Great or Extraordinary Success can choose to fail his own test to make his allies pass theirs? Or will the Ranger pass his test too?

-Eirik

[Glorelendil]

I think it means "instead of failing" not "instead of you succeeding".

[Rich H]

Well, the book states the following:

"If you pass your own test with a great success, you may let another companion who failed his own roll to pass the test instead, or two companions on an extraordinary success".

Now you could interpret the use of 'instead' in the above as passing the test instead of the Ranger but I think it means "letting the companion(s) pass the test instead of failing it".

[Morgoth]

I agree with Elfcrusher and Rich. If it was instead of you succeeding, I think it would state it more directly.

[zedturtle]

Short question: in the descriptions of the Ranger Virtues "Endurance of the Rangers" and "Against the Unseen: Strength of Will", it says that the Ranger can have other characters who failed a test pass it if the Ranger rolls a Great or Extraordinary Success. But the wording is a bit strange, I think. It says that the Ranger's friends can pass it "instead".

Does this mean that a Ranger who rolls a Great or Extraordinary Success can choose to fail his own test to make his allies pass theirs? Or will the Ranger pass his test too?

-Eirik

It's a bit ambiguous. I'm reading it as the "instead" modifying the entire action. So the Ranger fails and the other companion succeeds (essentially it "costs" a two successes to transfer the success.)

But if really was this, then the it might read

• If you pass your own test with a great success, you may instead let another companion pass a failed test. On an extraordinary success, you may let two companions pass the failed test. In either case, the Ranger counts as having failed the test; having been more concerned with his companions than himself.

- or -

If it is the way that Rich and Elf and Morgoroth think, then it might read

• If you pass your own test with a great success, you may aid another companion with their failed test. The companion's test now counts as being passed with an ordinary success. If you score an extraordinary success, you may aid two companions in this manner.

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On reflection, I really think it's the second way. The first way is too weak for such a virtue, in my mind.

[Dunheved]

I absolutely agree. Surely it must be that when the Ranger succeeds they can help others. It simply means that the success is shared INSTEAD of being kept just for the Ranger. A Great or Extraordinary success should not trigger a negative event.

Ordinary Success = used by the Ranger
Great Success = 1 bonus to help 1 PC
Extraordinary Success = 2 bonusses to help 2 PCs