Travelling Gear Question

[PipeSmoker]

Yes, zedturtle, but this could mean that while you're traveling you do count Travel Gear Enc to determine Fatigue Threshold and add it again should you fail Fatigue rolls. While you're in, say, Esgaroth or Dale, you do not. You're not carrying backpacks and pouches while dwelling between inns, markets and courts.

After all, page 77 Revised Core Rules:

Fatigue Score
A player-hero’s travelling equipment and each piece of war gear possesses an Encumbrance rating, representing the hindrance that the item causes to the carrier, both in terms of weight and discomfort (for example, a helm which significantly limits its wearer’s vision has a higher Encumbrance rating than a suit of leather armour, regardless of weight).
All the Encumbrance ratings of the various items normally carried by a hero are added up to find his Fatigue score, to be recorded on a character sheet alongside his Endurance rating (see page 127 to learn about the effects of Fatigue on a hero).

These lines combined with those you reported don't appear all that clear to me. Am not saying you're wrong or else, but I'd like an "official" clarification...

[Glorelendil]

A hero’s travelling gear includes all the typical belongings that he carries when travelling, in addition to his weapons and armour. Players only take into consideration the Encumbrance rating of their travelling gear when they are using the rules for resolving a Journey (see page 158).

Seems pretty unambiguous to me... Travelling gear only affects you when you're having a hard travel. It does not add to Fatigue before that.

I share your interpretation, but I disagree that it's non-ambiguous. Contrast RAW with what Francesco didn't write: "Players take into consideration the Encumbrance rating of their traveling gear only when they are using the rules for resolving a Journey"

Moving the word "only" would have made it non-ambiguous. (Rich H. disagrees, I know.)

Also, I did try to get an official ruling but never heard back from anybody.

[HotSnow50]

So was Bilbo, but he persevered.

oooh, good one!

[Majestic]

I personally find it more than ambiguous, I find it completely misleading. Even the part you quoted, zed.

Clearly the fact that so many people are stumped and confused by this should indicate that it's not very clear. Sadly, even the Clarifications and Amendments document doesn't clarify it enough.

[Glorelendil]

Clearly the fact that so many people are stumped and confused by this should indicate that it's not very clear.

That's pretty much what I think, but I was finally told (in effect) to stop wasting valuable electrons talking about it on the forums and to just ask the devs....

[Rich H]

That's pretty much what I think, but I was finally told (in effect) to stop wasting valuable electrons talking about it on the forums and to just ask the devs....

... That's a somewhat unfair representation of the events, fella! I told you to go get an answer from the devs as the conversation was simply going nowhere - the same is happening here, in this thread, again. People have told others how the rules work and an official answer is still wanted by some. That's completely understandable but, again, it means sending a PM to Andrew and/or Francesco as discussions here have gone as far as they can go, haven't they?

[Glorelendil]

Hey! I wasn't naming names!

And maybe I invented the part about wasting electrons...

P.S. As I mentioned above, I never got a reply from Andrew or Francesco (can't remember which of them I PM'd.)

[Rich H]

P.S. As I mentioned above, I never got a reply from Andrew or Francesco (can't remember which of them I PM'd.)

It is a shame. The rule is clear to me, applying a little common sense to the equation, but enough people do ask the question often enough for it to need clarifying. If I could pick just one thing to criticise the TOR rulebook (old and revised) it would be that it needed more examples of rules usage. This goes for lots of RPGs, mind.

[Falenthal]

I don't have them at hand, but do the pregen characters have their starting Fatigue written down?
We know what weapons and armour they're using, so it's easy to say if the Travelling Gear was added or not when Francesco created them.

That would qualify as "example of rule usage", I think .

[zedturtle]

They do have Encumbrance and Fatigue listed and they are the same (ie no extra for Travelling Gear). But the arguement could be made that travelling gear would not be preprinted since it would be seasonally adjusted.

In other news, I missed out a smiley in my previous post, and would love an official ruling/example.