Strength<Body ; Courage<Valour

shipwreck · Post by **shipwreck** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:36 pm

Weird subjects aside, I have a semantical question. I'm reading over the core rules again and I was reminded of something that puzzled me on the first (two) go-throughs. The first is the wording of one of the hero attributes: we know that they derived the three (Body, Heart, Wits) from that Gandalf quote that is included in the very same section.

Gandalf wrote:"...you must therefore use such strength and heart and wits as you have."

The second is the wording of the measures of our 'heroic stature', valour and wisdom, taken from this quote:

Thorin wrote:"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage and some wisdom, blended in measure."

So, my Search rolls aren't so strong; perhaps this has been addressed before. But does anyone have any idea why Francesco and/or the chaps at C7 deviated from the quotes in using Body instead of Strength or Valour instead of Courage? Obviously it's not a big deal, I remain strictly curious.

Stormcrow · Post by **Stormcrow** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:48 pm

For the first, it's because Body isn't just strength; it's also agility, fortitude, and attractiveness. It's the sum total of all the physicality of the character.

For the second, maybe he just liked the word Valour better?

Do we know for a fact that Francesco derived the characteristics from those quotes?

shipwreck · Post by **shipwreck** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:09 pm

Stormcrow wrote:Do we know for a fact that Francesco derived the characteristics from those quotes?

I definitely read that somewhere but I'd have to dig for the source. It's entirely possible that it was a reviewer's commentary, rather than a quote from someone involved in the game.

Thanks!

Majestic · Post by **Majestic** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:56 pm

Being as Decipher's CODA system used Courage as one of its main mechanics (similar to Hope in TOR), perhaps they chose to go with a different term for the sake of uniqueness.

Glorelendil · Post by **Glorelendil** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:05 pm

I think it's because "courage" already has a 'u' after the 'o' so there's no opportunity for the Brits to feel smug.

Stormcrow · Post by **Stormcrow** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:09 pm

Elfcrusher wrote:I think it's because "courage" already has a 'u' after the 'o' so there's no opportunity for the Brits to feel smug.

Yes, that must be the reasoun. We Americans have lived with a moure standardized spelling four sou loung that we fourget houw outher peouple feel about it. But I alsou hould with the Decipher theoury, touou.

shipwreck · Post by **shipwreck** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:10 pm

Things are better here in the Neu Whirlde.

Rocmistro · Post by **Rocmistro** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:20 pm

Elfcrusher wrote:I think it's because "courage" already has a 'u' after the 'o' so there's no opportunity for the Brits to feel smug.

+1!

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:01 pm

Elfcrusher wrote:I think it's because "courage" already has a 'u' after the 'o' so there's no opportunity for the Brits to feel smug.

... Aye, Francesco Nepitello, that bastion of all things British!

On a similar note I really like the work Rocmistro did with the Might attribute. It's gone down really well in my home campaign with the players.

Rocmistro · Post by **Rocmistro** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:17 pm

Thanks for the feedback, Rich! Great to hear.

Out of curiousity, did you also use the differential max values and costs, based on the body/heart/wits (+ favored) values?

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