wounded hero question

[Dunkelbrink]

Just for simplicity, I'd consider that a Treated Wound becomes "untreated" only if the character is Wounded again. If only his Endurance is affected, I'd keep that separate from the Wound itself.

In fact, as per RAW, I think that a character that has a Treated Wound and is Wounded again should still have his Wounded status underlined, considering the original Wound still Treated.

When a character whose Wounded box has already been
checked is Wounded again, he immediately becomes
Unconscious (see below).
The second Wound is not recorded in any way. The
character was simply knocked out, or passed out from
shock.

Alright, so a hero with a Treated Wound that gets knocked to 0 Endurance is Unconscious but not Dying? That's cool.

Could be a nice house rule but according to RAW I'd say you're definitely Dying if you have a treated Wound and your Endurance reaches 0. Being treated doesn't stop the Wound from being a Wound.

[zedturtle]

Could be a nice house rule but according to RAW I'd say you're definitely Dying if you have a treated Wound and your Endurance reaches 0. Being treated doesn't stop the Wound from being a Wound.

Right, and that was my initial interpretation, which Falenthal disagrees with. But I think it's up to interpretation/LM decision because it's often a moot point (if you've got a Woodman healer, for example)

[Fridokind Wargaug]

"A successful Healing roll does not remove a Wound, nor
does it restore lost Endurance points, but it lets the player
underline the Wounded label on the character sheet, to
mark the injury as treated."

and

"When a character whose Wounded box has already been
checked is Wounded again, he immediately becomes
Unconscious (see below)."

Ergo, I would say, if a character with a treated wound suffers a second wound, he gets knocked-out.

[zedturtle]

"A successful Healing roll does not remove a Wound, nor
does it restore lost Endurance points, but it lets the player
underline the Wounded label on the character sheet, to
mark the injury as treated."

and

"When a character whose Wounded box has already been
checked is Wounded again, he immediately becomes
Unconscious (see below)."

Ergo, I would say, if a character with a treated wound suffers a second wound, he gets knocked-out.

Well, yes. But that's not what I asking about. I asking about a hero with a treated wound getting reduced to 0 Endurance in a later fight, and whether or not the wound needs to be treated again.

[Rich H]

Well, yes. But that's not what I asking about. I asking about a hero with a treated wound getting reduced to 0 Endurance in a later fight, and whether or not the wound needs to be treated again.

... I'd say 'no' as there's nothing in the rules that says a treated wound becomes untreated again simply because they have been reduced to zero endurance.

[zedturtle]

Well, yes. But that's not what I asking about. I asking about a hero with a treated wound getting reduced to 0 Endurance in a later fight, and whether or not the wound needs to be treated again.

... I'd say 'no' as there's nothing in the rules that says a treated wound becomes untreated again simply because they have been reduced to zero endurance.

So are they Dying?

If the answer is yes, then how are they saved? (since the wound is already treated)

[Rich H]

Well, yes. But that's not what I asking about. I asking about a hero with a treated wound getting reduced to 0 Endurance in a later fight, and whether or not the wound needs to be treated again.

... I'd say 'no' as there's nothing in the rules that says a treated wound becomes untreated again simply because they have been reduced to zero endurance.

So are they Dying?

Not unless they have an untreated wound.

Consider that there are also other ways to lose endurance besides being attacked in combat. If people are really saying that a previously treated wound becomes untreated simply because the character is reduced to zero endurance then this would occur during other circumstances which resulted in endurance reaching zero. I don't subscribe to that view for those cases or during combat as there's nothing in the rules to suggest a treated wound becomes untreated again due to reaching zero endurance.

[Falenthal]

a hero with a treated wound getting reduced to 0 Endurance in a later fight, and whether or not the wound needs to be treated again.

... I'd say 'no' as there's nothing in the rules that says a treated wound becomes untreated again simply because they have been reduced to zero endurance.

So are they Dying?

I'm not sure of the right answer.

If a hero with a Treated Wound is reduced to 0 Endurance, then:
1) Is he Dying or Unconscious?
2) If Dying, and taking into account that his Wound was already Treated, how do you avoid him dying within the next 12 hours?

After reading and re-reading the rules for Dying, Unconscious and Treating Dying Characters, the answer is not clear to me. I'd even say that the rules don't cover this situation.

Everyone will have his own option here.

Mine would be to consider the hero Unconscious.

[Dunkelbrink]

Agreed. The rules don't say anything specific about this situation, except that a treated Wound is still a Wound. For a character to be dying when he reaches 0 Endurance the only premise is that he must be Wounded. The RAW do not mentioned an "untreated Wound" when discussing Dying. But the rules concerning dying also state that when your Wound is treated successfully you're not dying anymore.

So, the RAW as I read them mean that you're dying when you reach 0 Endurance if Wounded, even if that wound is treated. But since the Wound that caused your dying state is already treated successfully you cease being dying at the same time.

In other words, there is support in the RAW for Farenthal's elegant solution. I will use it myself - one more reason to get that Wound treated.

[Rich H]

So, you both agree with what I stated above then? If you read the RAW then the only conclusion that works within it is that the rules are talking about (untreated) wounds when discussing a character dying.