Pronunciation of Ceawin?

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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Majestic » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:32 pm

zedturtle wrote:Oh no, I don't expect him to actually be listed in his current position. But a lot of characters that appear in the game are named after folks that appear somewhere in the source material, Baldor and Belgo for example.
That's interesting. So are the Baldor and Belgo that found the Paths of the Dead perhaps the kid from Tales, along with his own son (named after his father)?

[Later Edit: I see the years of those men of Rohan. I suppose the ones in the adventure would be distant descendants of the ones that found the Paths of the Dead, if they're related at all]
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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by zedturtle » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:28 am

Majestic wrote:
zedturtle wrote:Oh no, I don't expect him to actually be listed in his current position. But a lot of characters that appear in the game are named after folks that appear somewhere in the source material, Baldor and Belgo for example.
That's interesting. So are the Baldor and Belgo that found the Paths of the Dead perhaps the kid from Tales, along with his own son (named after his father)?

[Later Edit: I see the years of those men of Rohan. I suppose the ones in the adventure would be distant descendants of the ones that found the Paths of the Dead, if they're related at all]
I meant named after, in the sense that I might share a name with a not insignificant chunk of the population (and perhaps my name was chosen because of famous people with that name), not that they are literal descendants. I think that Gareth was looking for names to use and decided to reference a relatively obscure bit of backstory from LotR.
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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Majestic » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:16 am

Ah, gotcha. And being very obscure characters, I think it's cool to use familiar names.

Names in Middle-earth don't seem to have quite the commonality or popularity that our names sometimes do (which makes sense, as it would start to become hard to follow who is who if they're all named Aragorn, or Turin, or Balin, or what-have-you).
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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Stormcrow » Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:12 am

The Old English vowel combination ea is a single-syllable diphthong. It has no exact Modern English equivalent, but consists of the a sound in cat and the schwa sound ə like the a in about.

kaə-win


Two syllables. Stress on the first.

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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Rich H » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:16 am

I see a pattern here... Would be nice if Gareth could respond to Stormcrow's summary like he did in the Amaleoda thread!

Or we could just take it as read that it's the same. :)
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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Valarian » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:55 pm

Stormcrow wrote:The Old English vowel combination ea is a single-syllable diphthong. It has no exact Modern English equivalent, but consists of the a sound in cat and the schwa sound ə like the a in about.

kaə-win


Two syllables. Stress on the first.
But then, taking the welsh pronunciation, it would be closer to KAY-oo-in. The w would be an oo sound.
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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Stormcrow » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:14 pm

But Ceawin is a Northman. All their names are based on Old English, not Welsh.

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Re: Pronunciation of Ceawin?

Post by Gwalchmei » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:07 pm

Valarian wrote: But then, taking the welsh pronunciation, it would be closer to KAY-oo-in. The w would be an oo sound.
Sorry, Valarian but "w" is not always pronounced as an "oo" sound in Welsh. It is in the word "dwr" and "bwrw", but not in "gwyn" or, dare I say my own nom de plume, where it is pronounced the same way as it would be in English.

Also, Ceawin just doesn't look like a Welsh name.

FWIW I pronounce it KAYa-win.

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