Status on next TOR book?

[Mim]

There are some great posts here about Elves & Half-elves. We've mostly covered the Noldor & such, but you can also add a (rare) union of the lesser Elves. Note this entry:

In the tradition of this house Angelimar was the twentieth in unbroken descent from Galador, first Lord of Dol Amroth (c. Third Age 2004–2129). According to the same traditions Galador was the son of Imrazôr the Númenórean, who dwelt in Belfalas, and the Elven-lady Mithrellas. She was one of the companions of Nimrodel, among many of the Elves that fled to the coast about the year 1980 of the Third Age, when evil arose in Moria; and Nimrodel and her maidens stayed in the wooded hills, and were lost. But in this tale it is said that Imrazôr harbored Mithrellas, and took her to wife. But when she had borne him a son, Galador, and a daughter, Gilmith, she slipped away by night and he saw her no more. But though Mithrellas was of the lesser Silvan race (and not of the High Elves or the Grey), it was ever held that the house and kin of the Lords of Dol Amroth was noble by blood as they were fair in face and mind.

Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth, The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, 248.

BTW, ToR probably can't use this because it's apparently outside the company's license, but it can work for your own game

[Beran]

Correct me if I am wrong, but is the character not known as Elrond "Half Elven" in the books? If so the Elladan and Elrohir (hope I got the names right) are definetly Half Elven as well. And, again correct me if I am wrong, but I have been under the impression that anyone of elf blood can decide to become mortal.

Right on everything except the last bit. A full-blooded Elf cannot choose to become Mortal--only those who are considered Half-elven.

Can you point to the documentation of this, please?

[Beleg]

Technically, yes on account that her mother wasn't an elf (Melian the Maia), still she chose to die as Beran did even though neither parent was 'mortal'.

Thanks Rich, I was getting confused there That makes sense though

[Mim]

BTW, if you want to add fuel to the fire don't forget Idril Celebrindal, the daughter of Turgon & Elenwë, who wed Tuor. He sailed with her to the Undying Lands, & as far as The Silmarillion (p. 245) implies, "was numbered among the elder race..."

[Otaku-sempai]

So Luthien was half-elven? Colour me confused

Luthien was a rare exception who was granted Mortality in her grief. It is not a choice that Elves normally get to make.

There has been a lot of discussion on this general topic lately on TORn. The way it seems to work is that a Half-elf who chooses Immortality lives as an Elf and sires or bears Half-elven children. A Half-elf who chooses to live as a Mortal and has children with a Mortal only sires/bears Mortal children.

[LOTR_Nerd]

So Luthien was half-elven? Colour me confused

Luthien was a rare exception who was granted Mortality in her grief. It is not a choice that Elves normally get to make.

There has been a lot of discussion on this general topic lately on TORn. The way it seems to work is that a Half-elf who chooses Immortality lives as an Elf and sires or bears Half-elven children. A Half-elf who chooses to live as a Mortal and has children with a Mortal only sires/bears Mortal children.

Only the children of Elrond got the choice of being counted as among either the Edain or the Eldar,since Arwen's children would also be half-elven but they are counted as restored Dunedain .

[farinal]

Do you guys think will the lost GenCon book (a new adventure and words of the wise printed together) be released now?

[Otaku-sempai]

Only the children of Elrond got the choice of being counted as among either the Edain or the Eldar,since Arwen's children would also be half-elven but they are counted as restored Dunedain.

Arwen's children were born after she shose to remain in Middle-earth as a Mortal. Naturallly, they were not considered to be Half-elves. Genetics only plays a minimal part in being Half-elven; the Valar established the condiions that govern Half-elves. Starting with Elrond and his brother Elros, a Half-elf who decides to live as a Mortal Man does not sire or give birth to Half-elves (unless, presumably, his/her spouse is an Elf or Immortal Half-elf). A Half-elf who makes the choice to live as an Elf begats more Half-elves whether his/her spouse is elven or mannish.

[timb]

Do you guys think will the lost GenCon book (a new adventure and words of the wise printed together) be released now?

I'd like to think so

Funny, looks like TOR licence is harder to get stuff approved/finished than Doctor Who one - TOR books announced last year are still in production, but a Dr Who book announced after Jan 2013 is out this week

[Rich H]

... looks like TOR licence is harder to get stuff approved/finished than Doctor Who one - TOR books announced last year are still in production, but a Dr Who book announced after Jan 2013 is out this week

This year's the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who so there's a significant drive behind it at the BBC. Previously they've taken ages to approve things based on how long we've had to wait in the past. I'm sure TOR would be similar if they had a significant anniversary to work with.