Great examples of ToR Combat in TV and movies

[Rich H]

Straczynski, made no attempt to disguise his 'influences'

That's true, but in the interest of fairness, I'll point out that he said himself that he wasn't just doing "Lord of the Rings with the serial numbers filed off") and that's true too.

... Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to be unfair to him I was simply stating that he didn't disguise his 'influences', which he didn't, so no real need to try and balance it in the 'interests of fairness'.

There were real moments of great drama in B5 where it really *worked* but we used to guffaw at the overwrought script, more than anything, to be honest; some of it was cringe worthy, taking itself far too seriously in places. Still, it and things like the V mini-series from the 80s were the trailblazers for sci-fi and other shows having long term storylines and involved plots and making them viable for lots of different genres. There's a big debt owed by current programmes to B5 and shows of that era.

This has turned into a bit of a threadcrap though so if you want to discuss further just PM me.

[Rich H]

Also, I was curious if there were any other good examples; it seems like getting REALLY TIRED, which is the main thing that actually happens in fights, is actually very rarely shown in TV and movies

If you want to watch a fantastic example of fatigue in a fight then check out the film Robin and Marian and the fight between Robin and the Sherriff of Nottingham towards the end of it. It's excellent stuff. Best Robin Hood film ever made, if you ask me.

Also, the excellent Robin of Sherwood (the 80s series not the recent BBC crap) has a fight between the Hooded Man and Sir Guy of Gisborne in what basically amounts to a mud pool. By the end of it, they are exhausted. Now, that was a great show. In fact, just watch all of Robin of Sherwood; it was brilliant and amazing that UK television produced something of that risk, vision and standard in the time period of the 80s.

[Azrael Macool]

I'm sorry good sir, but the best Robin Hood movie will ALWAYS be Robin Hood: Men in Tights :p

I should probably actually watch Babylon 5 one of these days... As a child I thought of it as "a more boring DS9", but that was probably unfair. I quite liked the spin off series Crusade, but I'm under the impression that it's absolutely nothing like B5 so... Don't know what that says about me.

[Angelalex242]

The best TOR combat was clearly to be found in Peter Jackson Movies.

*Flees from Lynch Mob*

[zedturtle]

The best TOR combat was clearly to be found in Peter Jackson Movies.

*Flees from Lynch Mob*

As always, we appreciate your... unique... perspective.

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Also, the excellent Robin of Sherwood (the 80s series not the recent BBC crap) has a fight between the Hooded Man and Sir Guy of Gisborne in what basically amounts to a mud pool. By the end of it, they are exhausted. Now, that was a great show. In fact, just watch all of Robin of Sherwood; it was brilliant and amazing that UK television produced something of that risk, vision and standard in the time period of the 80s.

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I'm sorry good sir, but the best Robin Hood movie will ALWAYS be Robin Hood: Men in Tights :p

I should probably actually watch Babylon 5 one of these days... As a child I thought of it as "a more boring DS9", but that was probably unfair. I quite liked the spin off series Crusade, but I'm under the impression that it's absolutely nothing like B5 so... Don't know what that says about me.

I never got into DS9 during it's initial run, I was Treked out at that point. Babylon 5 did something almost unique for its time, I even wrote a paper in college about it and the serial commercials that came out around the same time (note that 'serial' is not a typo; I mean commercials that strung together created a narrative beyond 'buy our stuff').

Also, I will go stand in the old man corner now.

[Falenthal]

Babylon 5 is a very good series. If you're able to go past its first session (which is a bit boring, I must say), in the second one all plots begin to evolve into a marvelous sci-fi epic.
Also, Gareth Ryder Hanrahan wrote some B5 supplements, including a full campaign. It can't be bad.

http://www.amazon.com/Babylon-Ragged-Ed ... 1905471211

[zedturtle]

Babylon 5 is a very good series. If you're able to go past its first session (which is a bit boring, I must say), in the second one all plots begin to evolve into a marvelous sci-fi epic.

Yep, Sinclair was good to have been, but Sheridan is where it's at. Fifth season is weak too, but there are reasons for that.

I was running an epic scale D&D campaign at the time of the initial run, heavily inspired by the themes and plot lines of B5; my players had fun with that and watching each episode as a group and theorizing about the plot developments was great fun.

[Majestic]

I was running an epic scale D&D campaign at the time of the initial run, heavily inspired by the themes and plot lines of B5; my players had fun with that and watching each episode as a group and theorizing about the plot developments was great fun.

That's actually a brilliant idea. Not just the utilizing story elements from a show (which isn't that uncommon), but watching each episode as a group and theorizing future plot developments sounds like a ton of fun!

[Rich H]

I should probably actually watch Babylon 5 one of these days... As a child I thought of it as "a more boring DS9", but that was probably unfair.

DS9 was bombing initially and along game B5. The writers at DS9 looked at how Straczynski and his team approached the "space station fixed in a point in space" and how they were able to develop an ongoing narrative, plot, and storyline and basically copied the ideas and format. It's why DS9 actually turned into a good show from starting out as a bit of a damp squib.

[Otaku-sempai]

DS9 was bombing initially and along game B5. The writers at DS9 looked at how Straczynski and his team approached the "space station fixed in a point in space" and how they were able to develop an ongoing narrative, plot, and storyline and basically copied the ideas and format. It's why DS9 actually turned into a good show from starting out as a bit of a damp squib.

Yeah, I think that a lot of folks don't know (or remember) that the B5 pilot was made long before DS9 debuted. It is just that the Star Trek spin-off made it to air before the actual B5 series did.