Questions - Returning to TOR - still new LM

[Grey Seer]

Hello all!

I have a few questions. I dabbled in TOR a while back but my one game I did as a LM did not go well and made me realize I needed to learn more. I am a huge LotR fan, however and despite that, I'm back into it and I've purchased every book in the line.

Being new, I still have a few questions and things I was hoping to get an opinion on. This list is rather random, so I appreciate any assistance you can provide.

Thank you in advance!


1.) Core Rulebook Combat example

OK, I feel like this question is a simple one...but I've been back and forth through the rulebook and I feel like I must be missing the relevant rule.

The combat example on page 183 says:

"The Attercop’s primary attack is Ensnare, a favoured ability: it adds its Attribute level of 3 to its roll against its TN 16, scoring an extraordinary success! Unfortunately for the Bride, not only is she caught in the sticky web of the Attercop using its Seize Victim power, but the spider tries immediately to sting her! The Loremaster rolls for the sting attack, again a favoured ability: the roll is a hit."

I can't for the life of me figure out how an extraordinary success allows an additional attack. Where is the relevant rule that I'm missing??

2.) I've been gobbling up any content I can find. I found that the main FAQ seems to say that the GenCon "official" scenarios are unavailable. I was able to find Words of the Wise. Are there others out there available? Or perhaps someone could PM me if they have them?

3.) I'm looking for some quality TOR actual play podcasts, but the one I did find you cannot download from anymore. (Oracle Game Network) - Does anyone have the audio files for this or any suggestions of good actual plays? Also, is someone here part of the "The One Podcast"? I found that podcast helpful, but I'm curious as to why they stopped recording?

4.) I have the current loremaster screen. What would you recommend as LM that I print and have handy as well (list of tables etc?)

5.) Does the community agree on a great player aid that's out there? Something that clarifies combat and other rules like traits to new players/LM?

6.) Also, I see the Resources thread and was very excited about it...but over 75% of the links are dead. Is that something we could update as a community? I was super excited to see all the goodies there and then super let-down I couldn't find most of them! lol

I'm sure I'll have lots of other questions in the future. BTW, I did use the search function and looked for most of this stuff...and I've read over 100 threads just trying to figure stuff out - so if I missed a thread that addresses my questions I appologize!

Thank you so much!

Edit to add #6

[arthyn]

Hi, and welcome (back)!

As for your first question, I think it's not the extraordinary success that's allowing for the second attack, but rather an extension of the Ensnare ability.

The seizing creature cannot attack with its main weapon as long as it is seizing the target (but can freely use a secondary attack if it possesses one). TOR p234

Second question, if you've got all the current printed material, that's a huge amount of content. If you've already finished all of that, there are several decent campaigns posted here on the forums. Do a quick search for Theft of the Moon!

Third question, here's a couple podcast links:
http://www.rpgmp3.com/ipb/blog/10-play-from-ponape/
http://beggingforxp.com/2015/the-one-ri ... d-part-01/

Fourth question, here's a document that I use. I can't remember who the author is, though I know I found the link here on the forums originally. It covers most of the basic things you need to run a session, and has been a really valuable tool for me while learning the basic mechanics. Here's the link:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid ... 50f5%2F%29

Fifth question, see above!

Sixth question, several of the links there are dead temporarily. I believe there was an issue with potential copyright infringement, and some items were pulled to be cleaned-up, and re-posted. Check back later to see if it's been updated!

~Arthyn

[Rich H]

Sixth question, several of the links there are dead temporarily. I believe there was an issue with potential copyright infringement, and some items were pulled to be cleaned-up, and re-posted

It's more likely that they are dropbox links and recently (just a couple of months ago) dropbox changed their T&Cs and operating procedures which means old links to docs don't work. If people update those links then they should work again; although I think people wanting to access them also need dropbox accounts - not 100% sure on that though.

[Stormcrow]

As for your first question, I think it's not the extraordinary success that's allowing for the second attack, but rather an extension of the Ensnare ability.

The seizing creature cannot attack with its main weapon as long as it is seizing the target (but can freely use a secondary attack if it possesses one). TOR p234

The special ability doesn't allow for an extra attack with the secondary weapon; it just doesn't prevent the use of the secondary weapon. Freely should be interpreted as whenever it could otherwise do so, not as free attack.

Yet the attercop in the example is clearly attacking twice in one round.

I think this is an error in the example.

[Earendil]

The special ability doesn't allow for an extra attack with the secondary weapon; it just doesn't prevent the use of the secondary weapon. Freely should be interpreted as whenever it could otherwise do so, not as free attack.

Yet the attercop in the example is clearly attacking twice in one round.

I think this is an error in the example.

It is actually part of the Ensnare ability (but not the Seize Victim ability, which is what arthyn is quoting,, because Ensnare also causes the victim to be Seized). In the slipcase edition, in a footnote under Ensnare it says:

If the Ensnare roll is successful and produces a great or extraordinary success, the spider immediately attacks its victim using its sting.

That's in the section on Spiders of Mirkwood themselves, under "Spider Weapons". Combined with the example, it seems clear that this means that it does indeed get an extra attack.

Unless, of course, this rule was changed between editions and the example was left unchanged. I don't have the revised rulebook handy to check.

[Stormcrow]

That footnote appears to have been left out of the hardcover edition. There is an asterisk after Ensnare in the table, but there is no corresponding footnote. This should be noted as an erratum.

[Otaku-sempai]

It is actually part of the Ensnare ability (but not the Seize Victim ability, which is what arthyn is quoting,, because Ensnare also causes the victim to be Seized). In the slipcase edition, in a footnote under Ensnare it says:

If the Ensnare roll is successful and produces a great or extraordinary success, the spider immediately attacks its victim using its sting.

That's in the section on Spiders of Mirkwood themselves, under "Spider Weapons". Combined with the example, it seems clear that this means that it does indeed get an extra attack.

Unless, of course, this rule was changed between editions and the example was left unchanged. I don't have the revised rulebook handy to check.

I do not have the revised rulebook, however I do possess the Clarifications and Amendments document which includes no such change. Does that help?

[Earendil]

That footnote appears to have been left out of the hardcover edition. There is an asterisk after Ensnare in the table, but there is no corresponding footnote. This should be noted as an erratum.

I do not have the revised rulebook, however I do possess the Clarifications and Amendments document which includes no such change. Does that help?

Yep! Given that the example depends upon it, and the asterisk is still there, and there's no mention of any change to it in the Clarifications & Amendments, it does seem the text was left out of the revised edition by mistake. No wonder the OP was confused!

[Grey Seer]

I do not have the revised rulebook, however I do possess the Clarifications and Amendments document which includes no such change. Does that help?

You bring up a good point...is there a FAQ/Errata document for the revised core rulebook?

[Otaku-sempai]

You bring up a good point...is there a FAQ/Errata document for the revised core rulebook?

There is no formal errata of which I am aware. The twelve-page C&A reflects the changes and additions made from the original two-book set to the revised single rulebook.