Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

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Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by daddystabz » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:56 am

One of my players in my new campaign is playing one of the fan-made cultures, a Man of Rohan, and we were just wondering if Men of Rohan typically have surnames (last names) at all. I do not remember an example of one with a surname in the books.

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Elmoth » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:44 am

Not that I am aware of. In the LOTR movie (non canon, I know) there is a young character called Haleth. he is refered as "Haleth, son of Hama". So I would go for this format for the people of rohan. It is a fairly common surname convention after all: all the surnames ending in -son, -dottir, -s, -ez (in Spanish), and others all mean "son of". these forms could also be in use in Rohan and/or Gondor.

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Arthadan » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:30 pm

The origin of last names is in nicknames. So, if we have Haleth, Son of Háma is quite likely that Haleth is a common name or at least there was another Haleth in the same village.

Some valid examples are Eorl the Young (quite probably second of this name in his line), or Helm Heldenhammer who could kill a Snow Troll with his bare hands.

For an adventure I guess is more fun if he earns his nickname with his deeds and then he begins to use it as a surname as his fame spreads.

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Glorelendil » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:14 pm

Arthadan wrote: For an adventure I guess is more fun if he earns his nickname with his deeds and then he begins to use it as a surname as his fame spreads.
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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Valarian » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:06 am

Arthadan wrote:The origin of last names is in nicknames. So, if we have Haleth, Son of Háma is quite likely that Haleth is a common name or at least there was another Haleth in the same village.
Patronymics are important in cultures (e.g. Nordic, Russian) as they convey legitimacy. To be able to recite your lineage in a formal introduction was to say that you come from a long and legitimate line. I don't think that the addition of the "son of" would be just a means of identification but a way of speaking formally to a person. The "of no heritage" stain of illegitimacy would be great. By using their father's name, you acknowledge their heritage and honour it.
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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Boneguard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:09 pm

Keeping in mind that Rohan is heavily influenced by Old English/Western Medieval cultural element, I would say NO.

A lot of Western Eureopean culture -including England- in Medieval time did not used surnames, people only had a Given Name and -if several people had the same name- a descriptor or a patronimic (eg The Young, The Bold, or Son of XX).

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Mim » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:56 pm

There are some great posts on here & yes, the Rohirrim did have some additional names/titles. Take a quick look at The Kings of the Mark in Appendix A:

Eorl the Young
Aldor the Old
Helm Hammerhand
Fréaláf Hildeson
Brytta - He was called by his people Léofa, for he was loved by all...
Théoden - Became Ednew, etc.
Éomer Éadig

It sounds as if your player will have a lot of fun with this, & I'd say let him go with it :)

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Rich H » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:07 pm

... I'm not so sure about nicknames forming surnames.

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If we were all Rohirrim on here then I'd be "Richard Grumpypants". :(

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Boneguard » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:19 pm

Rich H wrote:...
If we were all Rohirrim on here then I'd be "Richard Grumpypants". :(

:mrgreen:
Or Richard Loregiver

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Re: Do Men of Rohan have surnames?

Post by Rich H » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:03 pm

Boneguard wrote:
Rich H wrote:...
If we were all Rohirrim on here then I'd be "Richard Grumpypants". :(

:mrgreen:
Or Richard Loregiver
That's very kind, but not a chance! ... There are a great many others on here that name would be far more fitting for! Not going to name any but at least 5 or 6 spring immediately to mind. :) I don't even get close.

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